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  • Goosequillian
    started a topic Political correctness

    Political correctness

    What do you think of Political Correctness? Do you reckon it is a good or a bad thing? Whom do you think it supports and whom do you think it is against?

  • Etsia
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    Political correctness is responsible for the evil that we have got in today's Europe - terror attacks, attacks on women and kids of sexual nature, aggressive migrants stamping on our soil, libtards in power and disability to protect our own. So political correctness makes me sick and I believe we must get rid of it as soon as possible just like Austria did with radical mosques making Turkey and its sultan mad...Why? Because Europe was way too politically correct. Time to change it.

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  • aussieinbg
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    Originally posted by LynneMK View Post
    My opinion on political correctness isn't really manners, simply because I have seen and heard those who scream political correctness use some of the most vile behavior and language from them. Political correctness is a false premise to bully and harangue others who know true manners. Instead these PC pearl clutching , fainting, "Aunt Pittypats, Dolley Merriweathers (look up Gone with the Wind preferably the confederate ball scene). They use their ideas of right and wrong on their terms.
    Society over it's evolution of growth has created within its culture rules and traditions by which the game is played. Most people agreed. However, these little toddlers come along and they aren't winning at the game very well, so they are trying to change the rules and get people to join with them. So then they back the Wicked Witch of the West and become the flying monkeys to harm those following the rules and manners and playing the roles appropriately.
    They are very much about changing the goalposts of the debate and presenting just about any and every logical fallacy coming from their side as being something legitimate.

    Originally posted by LynneMK View Post
    PC is just a way to bludgeon, bully, and terrorize others with words and false manners. I suggest people examine proper manners and study why these manners were codified into rule books. They do vary some are not in complete agreement, but one thing is for sure we have to stop worrying about offending people with certain facts and truth.
    Yes, it's to bludgeon people towards their side of things using logical fallacies such as these:

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Style_over_substance

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tone_argument

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion

    Originally posted by LynneMK View Post
    There are other things according to the rule of manners that is not for us to mention as well, because certain things are between spouses, doctor and patient, parent and child. Even some experiences are to be private between counselor and patient because in your story is someone else's story not for you to be a tale bearer of.
    Bringing up such things is ultimately about power and control - sticking your nose into what others do into private matters which are none of your business.

    PC is ultimately about control through the back door - when rational argument and debate just won't work.

    Originally posted by LynneMK View Post
    PC is an attempt to remove the "old" moral code and replace it predominately with the moral code imagined by the early socialist philosophers that saw socialism as a religion not an economic policy, and as such needed to have it's own moral system not derived from Judeo/Christian ideology. Even Benjamin Franklin in America saw the benefits of studying the Bible as a means of developing a sound character and good citizenship. Look at Proverbs, Beatitudes and even the Olivet Discourse (where Jesus condemned all the Pharisees acting all holier than thou but inside were decaying flesh).
    I would argue that morality is implicit in the character of people and is an evolved character trait that works and hence also works when it is incorporated into religions and societal rules in general.

    In any case and yet again, PC is about bypassing something that is rational in order to gain power on an irrational basis and premises.

    Originally posted by LynneMK View Post
    A lot of these PC people are like the Pharisees. But it's a warning to not be like them. Not to judge people by your own standard etc, make sure you've removed your own plank before looking at the speck in your brother's eyes. And unless your perfect don't go casting stones. Look through all ancient literature you will see the same things and concepts.
    PC creates tribes, like Sneetches with Stars on their bellies and those without.
    "Golden Rule" is also something that has evolved and which works.

    PC again tries to bypass this "mutual benefit" part of behaviour and goes for a power grab.

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  • Sancta_Lux
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    Originally posted by LadyJosh View Post
    Well, freedom of speech is a good thing, but I also think that that doesn't mean you necessarily have to say everything that you think. I mean, I feel that those who seem to hate this concept of "politcal correctness" are often not shy to throw the most racist, sexist, mean insults at other people. And when other people correct them they go and bring up "politcal correctness" and whine about how hard it is to be white, European man. Such people, in my personal experience do not care that much about freedom of speech, only about their own freedom of speech (or rather freedom to insult other people); They usually do not want to hear opposite viewpoints.
    Sure if you consider saying migration is a problem as racism, there is a lot of racism.

    However it's hypocrite to say people claiming to want "freedom of speech" = people who want to claim their racism and flooding you with insult without wanting to hear opposite opinions. Firstly because you assume that you can't be politically correct and insult people and play a parody of the three wise monkeys while it's, in fact, a speciality of some heroes of political correctness and secondly because you assume that political correctness is a good thing because it's a bridle to dangerous or wrong ideas/claims, that is not opposed to the political correctness.

    The problem with this last point is that freedom can't be bridle at all or it's not freedom. Either you assume to support an authoritarian position in order to support your morality and you viewpoint or you let the other tells whatever they want to say.


    For now I've been insulted from every side equally, and giving another point of view was globally the same in both side, a majority who get acne eruptions and some people who are aware to discuss. There was more arrogance from one side thou, while there was more anger on the other.

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  • LadyJosh
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    Well, freedom of speech is a good thing, but I also think that that doesn't mean you necessarily have to say everything that you think. I mean, I feel that those who seem to hate this concept of "politcal correctness" are often not shy to throw the most racist, sexist, mean insults at other people. And when other people correct them they go and bring up "politcal correctness" and whine about how hard it is to be white, European man. Such people, in my personal experience do not care that much about freedom of speech, only about their own freedom of speech (or rather freedom to insult other people); They usually do not want to hear opposite viewpoints.

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  • writer88
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    I think people should loosen up in general. I know people who would joke about their cancer. I would too if I was in their situation, it's easier to handle if you can joke about it. I think that's true of other issues and horrible things as well. Wouldn't you rather laugh than cry?

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  • Hades91
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    Political correctness = self-censorship = fear of yourself.
    Fear of free speech = censorship = fear of the reality

    Most political correct people change their opinion as far as the wind begins to blow from another direction. People who are living in ex communist countries know that better than all others. It isn't that way that those people want to destroy to begin everyone with contrary opinion. No, they can use those people for their benefits as far as those people aren't eloquent and aren't able to lead proper discussions.
    Opposition has a very beneficial value for people which have a "proper" opinion in relation current political correctness. An echo chamber of you're right sayer marginalizes their opinion, this very counter productive for them at the end.
    However those people hate if people with better arguments, better examples and better rhetoric oppose their so superior opinions. It leads from the side of political correct people often to intimidation, ad hominen, insults, or they try to deflect an discussion into absurdity. After all those strategies failed, because the amount of people with different opinion is too high, comes the desire after censorship and harsh punishment for "mind-crimes".

    If you observe some countries in earlier so tolerant wester Europe, on what stage those countries seem to be at the moment?

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  • dmitri11
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    Originally posted by Straw94 View Post

    I'd rather you get it than me. I'm much better looking so it'd be a pity if I was to die.

    God won't let you die. You must suffer and learn the truth.

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  • VaselineBasket
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    Originally posted by Straw94 View Post
    I'd rather you get it than me. I'm much better looking so it'd be a pity if I was to die.
    Why are you molesting to Dimka? Dimka is a great and simple guy. With a bottle.

    Last edited by VaselineBasket; 06-12-2018, 06:02 PM.

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  • Straw94
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    Originally posted by dmitri11 View Post
    Is it possible to see left and right under the bridge (at the bottom)? You have a brain cancer, Little President!
    ?
    I'd rather you get it than me. I'm much better looking so it'd be a pity if I was to die.


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  • dmitri11
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    Originally posted by Straw94 View Post
    Political Correctness is one of the most infuriating things about being white and living in Western Europe. Progressive Left is like cancer, except that I would rather have cancer than be a progressive liberal.
    Is it possible to see left and right under the bridge (at the bottom)? You have a brain cancer, Little President!
    ?
    Last edited by dmitri11; 06-12-2018, 05:03 PM.

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  • Straw94
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    Political Correctness is one of the most infuriating things about being white and living in Western Europe. Progressive Left is like cancer, except that I would rather have cancer than be a progressive liberal.

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  • dmitri11
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    Well. Nothing's sacred. It's all for sale. Political Correctness? Pricing is unfair. Hypocrites, thieves, crooks and bandits. Cheapest protect them. An American Negro puts me a $ 100 price tag on the Internet. I agree:"Crimea is Ukraine! Thank The Jews! Death to Islamists! Glory to USA!". You applaud ... but (for every) 100 dollars will be given to Jews. You applaud violently. Why are they doing this? Cheap people do not understand that they will not become more expensive. Cowardly zombies.
    Last edited by dmitri11; 06-12-2018, 03:12 PM.

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  • LynneMK
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    My opinion on political correctness isn't really manners, simply because I have seen and heard those who scream political correctness use some of the most vile behavior and language from them. Political correctness is a false premise to bully and harangue others who know true manners. Instead these PC pearl clutching , fainting, "Aunt Pittypats, Dolley Merriweathers (look up Gone with the Wind preferably the confederate ball scene). They use their ideas of right and wrong on their terms.

    Society over it's evolution of growth has created within its culture rules and traditions by which the game is played. Most people agreed. However, these little toddlers come along and they aren't winning at the game very well, so they are trying to change the rules and get people to join with them. So then they back the Wicked Witch of the West and become the flying monkeys to harm those following the rules and manners and playing the roles appropriately.

    PC is just a way to bludgeon, bully, and terrorize others with words and false manners. I suggest people examine proper manners and study why these manners were codified into rule books. They do vary some are not in complete agreement, but one thing is for sure we have to stop worrying about offending people with certain facts and truth.

    There are other things according to the rule of manners that is not for us to mention as well, because certain things are between spouses, doctor and patient, parent and child. Even some experiences are to be private between counselor and patient because in your story is someone else's story not for you to be a tale bearer of.

    PC is an attempt to remove the "old" moral code and replace it predominately with the moral code imagined by the early socialist philosophers that saw socialism as a religion not an economic policy, and as such needed to have it's own moral system not derived from Judeo/Christian ideology. Even Benjamin Franklin in America saw the benefits of studying the Bible as a means of developing a sound character and good citizenship. Look at Proverbs, Beatitudes and even the Olivet Discourse (where Jesus condemned all the Pharisees acting all holier than thou but inside were decaying flesh). A lot of these PC people are like the Pharisees. But it's a warning to not be like them. Not to judge people by your own standard etc, make sure you've removed your own plank before looking at the speck in your brother's eyes. And unless your perfect don't go casting stones. Look through all ancient literature you will see the same things and concepts.

    PC creates tribes, like Sneetches with Stars on their bellies and those without.

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  • dmitri11
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    Originally posted by Hades91 View Post

    The point is we.
    As isolated smartass snob is the point "we" barely comprehensible from your reference point ?
    "I've got dirt under my fingernails I'll never get out ... hard-earned dirt under a man's fingernails can be attractive."
    Last edited by dmitri11; 06-12-2018, 11:59 AM.

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