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  • Seals on the “Prirazlomnaya”: has Greenpeace a cause or not?

    A man working on the “Prirazlomnaya” oil drilling platform in the Arctic has posted an interesting video. Ices around the oil drilling platform were occupied by thousands of seals. And, according to the author of the video, animals “are very lazy and don’t want to ride off the ship”.
    Sergey Dolya, the author of the blog “A Page of Virtual Travelers”, emphasized that seals “are very sensitive to occupational noise and different mining operations. If mining operations are far from a seal-rookery then they go away and change migration routes in spite of human remoteness. But now seals are lounging near the platform”.
    Actually, a lot can be inferred from this nontrivial neighborhood. Users – experts and ordinary people - come out with different suggestions. Somebody says seals save themselves from polar bears; somebody thinks animals have no more the places for life in the Arctic. Scientists will find out whether these suggestions are true or false. But it is well-known seals and other animals in the Arctic are very sensitive to pollution of the environment. Arctic is one of the regions with a delicate ecosystem. Well, where is Greenpeace which some years ago attacked “Prirazlomnaya”?! It is absent because there are not any reasons for its attacks. If the platform really polluted the Arctic waters even a seal would not come to it. Not to mention hundreds of ones.
    These days all Russian commercial projects in the Arctic are submitted for approval to ecologists. The Russian Ministry of Defense is paying attention to the environmental safety of its actions in the Arctic too. Advanced manufacturing sciences were brought to an end on the “Prirazlomnaya”. They allow making oil without any damage for Northern seas. So, excuse us, but Greenpeace has not a cause for a raid on the platform.
    Undoubtedly, Greenpeace is a nice organization with good tasks. But unfortunately, during recent years it has turned into a business and has been working for big money, not for the protection of the environment. But Russia will not pay Greenpeace for PR-actions. It's best to spend money for ecological projects. Because it is an ecologically responsible state.

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    Originally posted by iaia1971 View Post
    Well, where is Greenpeace which some years ago attacked “Prirazlomnaya”?! It is absent because there are not any reasons for its attacks. If the platform really polluted the Arctic waters even a seal would not come to it. Not to mention hundreds of ones.
    These days all Russian commercial projects in the Arctic are submitted for approval to ecologists. The Russian Ministry of Defense is paying attention to the environmental safety of its actions in the Arctic too. Advanced manufacturing sciences were brought to an end on the “Prirazlomnaya”. They allow making oil without any damage for Northern seas. So, excuse us, but Greenpeace has not a cause for a raid on the platform.
    Undoubtedly, Greenpeace is a nice organization with good tasks. But unfortunately, during recent years it has turned into a business and has been working for big money, not for the protection of the environment. But Russia will not pay Greenpeace for PR-actions. It's best to spend money for ecological projects. Because it is an ecologically responsible state.
    For god's sake, nobody cares about your floating shit "Prirazwhatever".

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    • #3
      Originally posted by JulianaTuhi View Post
      For god's sake, nobody cares about your floating shit "Prirazwhatever".
      Say whaaat. I care





      And OP, thanks for sharing (: It's good to know that the Russian government recognises Greenpeace is mainly in for commercial profits and have "boycotted" it.
      Last edited by Richa_; 06-28-2017, 02:32 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by iaia1971 View Post
        , emphasized that seals “are very sensitive to occupational noise and different mining operations. If mining operations are far from a seal-rookery then they go away and change migration routes in spite of human remoteness. But now seals are lounging near the platform”.
        You might want to read up on basic logic before you post fairly foolish attempts at rationalization using random anecdotes.

        1. Try to falsify your own claim before you post it.
        2. Substitute similar creatures/nouns/objects and see if the claim falls to pieces.
        3. Please please please please please stop praying to St. Gore and pretending that a statement by an individual is equivalent to scientific research.

        There are any number of scenarios that invalidate your rationalization.

        If someone said "Radioactive meat is bad for pets" and you observe hundreds of dogs eating radioactive meat, does that suddenly mean that radioactive meat is good for dogs? No of course it doesn't, all it means is that the dmaage it causes is not instantaneous

        The seal colony congregating around a noisy environment *might* be harmed by doing so. It just might take time before it makes them hard of hearing, or it might cause problems with reproduction or in their young. It might be destroying the colony statistically, it might only harm 1 in 4 seals but the individuals being harmed stay with the pack because the alternative is death.

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3785423
        http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...25326X76901879
        http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-1372226.html

        " If the platform really polluted the Arctic waters even a seal would not come to it. Not to mention hundreds of ones."

        Stop and think about what you're saying for 10 seconds.

        First of all seals come into polluted waters all the time. You could have saved yourself that embarrassment with a simple web search:

        https://duckduckgo.com/?q=seals+in+polluted+water

        Second of all, seals don't have to go into polluted waters to be harmed by them. If their food sources go into polluted water, then they are harmed by it. It's basic grade school biology, the top level predators end up getting doses of heavy metals and other pollution concentrated by lower level ones.

        If the platform polluted the Arctic waters with food scraps...and if the food scraps attracted schools of fish that the seals need to survive and if warming oceans are killing off other sources of those fish... there are dozen of different possibilities that would explain why the seals might gather in a place in spite of long-term harm to the colony that they are almost certainly oblivious to.

        Pollution attracting hundreds of seals is not only what one would expect, just as garbage dumps at remote villages in the Arctic attract bears, but it's *exactly* what one would expect if the oil company was intentionally dumping food scraps in the ocean in order to "prove" environmentalists concerns were unfounded.

        Your claim fails every test of reason and evidence. You're pretending that a single anecdote somehow counters all the accumulated evidence and reason.

        It doesn't. It never will. Your anecdote is no better than any random environmentalists anecdote, they're all utter crap until we have sufficient data to understand the problem.

        And finally, in logic you can jump up and down and whine and complain about what everyone else is claiming, but that will *NEVER* make your own claims true. You can vilify Greenpeace all you want, the organization could consist entirely of corrupt scheming con men from Planet X spending billions of dollars to deceive the world... that still wouldn't make your claim true.

        Take responsibility for your own implicit claim that industrial activity is good for seal health and defend it. Stop complaining about what Greenpeace does.Their failures are not your successes.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by riding_mt View Post
          The seal colony congregating around a noisy environment *might* be harmed by doing so. It just might take time before it makes them hard of hearing, or it might cause problems with reproduction or in their young. It might be destroying the colony statistically, it might only harm 1 in 4 seals but the individuals being harmed stay with the pack because the alternative is death.
          Still doesn't change the fact that research has found that some seals are prone to temporary hearing loss. Your logical reasoning is kinda like "ebola only affects those living in West Africa which is only a portion of the entire world population so why give a damn about treating them?"

          Originally posted by riding_mt View Post
          " If the platform really polluted the Arctic waters even a seal would not come to it. Not to mention hundreds of ones."

          Stop and think about what you're saying for 10 seconds.
          If you cared to read properly, you would realise OP wasn't exactly supporting that claim. He was just stating whatever bullshit reason Greenpeace may have for not helping Prirazlomnaya.

          Originally posted by riding_mt View Post
          It doesn't. It never will. Your anecdote is no better than any random environmentalists anecdote, they're all utter crap until we have sufficient data to understand the problem.
          one doesn't always need sufficient data to understand the problem. For instance, there aren't enough data to cure stage 4 cancer but the earlier stages can be mended. Likewise, there may not be tons of data supporting the hearing loss of seals from piling noise but one can at least do something about the annoying intruding factories in the Artic before everything gets worse for the wildlife ecosystem. Get the drift?

          Originally posted by riding_mt View Post
          And finally, in logic you can jump up and down and whine and complain about what everyone else is claiming, but that will *NEVER* make your own claims true. You can vilify Greenpeace all you want, the organization could consist entirely of corrupt scheming con men from Planet X spending billions of dollars to deceive the world... that still wouldn't make your claim true.

          Take responsibility for your own implicit claim that industrial activity is good for seal health and defend it. Stop complaining about what Greenpeace does.Their failures are not your successes.
          he's not whining, he's just sharing something that deserves urgent attention. Perhaps you're someone who wears a huge greenpeace ambassador badge on their forehead everywhere you go or someone who works in such industries. Anyway, one has every right to complain about huge organisations with questionable morals. Their failures are our business and if no one gives a damn about their practices, GAME OVER. Even the beautiful nature in remote parts of the world would be screwed by greedy shitheads. Humans should leave such areas tf alone and stay in their bloody lane lmao

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