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  • Vespres
    started a topic The myth of diversity.

    The myth of diversity.

    Sorry fascists this isn't a race-related post

    Biodiversity in the animal kingdom is overrated. 99.9% of all species that have ever lived are now extinct. That includes most branches of humanity.

    People should not care as much as they do about preserving individual species like the Panda, the white Rhino, etc. True environmentalists should care more about reducing pollution and co2 emissions. Preserving individual megafauna species because they "look cool" is missing the forest for the trees.

  • dmitri11
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    Originally posted by Machlud View Post
    Each and every species is important. They are all part of the Earth's ecosystem and each plays a part. Every single species that is killed off damages others by its removal and leaves a hole. If we keep destroying them that's all that we'll be left with --- a hole!
    Why bother trying to reduce "pollution and CO2 emissions" if not to preserve the various lifeforms of the Planet. Maybe the OP has got himself lost in the forest whilst looking for the trees!
    In most cases, geography plays an important role in success or failure ...Atlas of Hallucinogenic Mushrooms of Russia (Атлас галлюциногенных грибов России)


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    Last edited by dmitri11; 12-07-2018, 01:50 PM.

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  • Dunnezaa
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    I don't think there's an inherent issue with trying to save animals we find interesting. It's better than not doing anything at all. That being said, the conversation may have to shift to talking about the opportunity cost of investing in the conservation of certain endangered species. For example, should we spend lots of money on species A which will almost certainly go extinct in the long-term, or should we spend that money on species B or, more importantly, its ecosystem to make sure that it never even gets close to extinction? This question is especially important in light of climate adaptation going forward. Are there any ecosystems threatened by climate change which, if we invest in them now, have the potential to be resilient in the face of environmental change?

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  • Machlud
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    Each and every species is important. They are all part of the Earth's ecosystem and each plays a part. Every single species that is killed off damages others by its removal and leaves a hole. If we keep destroying them that's all that we'll be left with --- a hole!
    Why bother trying to reduce "pollution and CO2 emissions" if not to preserve the various lifeforms of the Planet. Maybe the OP has got himself lost in the forest whilst looking for the trees!

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  • usernameapp
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    Originally posted by Vespres View Post
    Sorry fascists this isn't a race-related post

    Biodiversity in the animal kingdom is overrated. 99.9% of all species that have ever lived are now extinct. That includes most branches of humanity.

    People should not care as much as they do about preserving individual species like the Panda, the white Rhino, etc. True environmentalists should care more about reducing pollution and co2 emissions. Preserving individual megafauna species because they "look cool" is missing the forest for the trees.
    Very well made post and topic. Humble thanks.

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  • milkfish19
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    The problem is animals are going extinct and it's our fault now. So we do have a responsibility over them. It's unlike back then where animals were only going extinct naturally.

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  • Hades91
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    Originally posted by Suna123 View Post

    hahaha - oh we already have been playing "bee" in our garden and our friends as well.

    ....
    Just buy a bumblebee [Dunkle Erdhummel] housings with eggs ( thin bamboos pipes ) in specialized garden store and don't make yourself to a clown.
    Bumblebees are efficient as bees, more resistant towards pesticides, aren't that annoying like bees which are more aggressive, hornets/wasps don't kill them so easily. After you bought few bumblebees it's very likely that they remain in your garden for fallowing years.

    Personally I don't have problems with biodiversity in my garden, rather too much of everything (insects, birds, snakes etc.) However people which are living in suburbs surrounded with mono-agriculture have a problem with pollination by insects here as well.
    Last edited by Hades91; 10-07-2018, 09:56 AM.

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  • Suna123
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    Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
    And we are not in China yet, we don't have to pay some people do do the pollination by hands.
    hahaha - oh we already have been playing "bee" in our garden and our friends as well.

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  • Sancta_Lux
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    Originally posted by Suna123 View Post

    I try to ensure diversity of insects and this is everything else but overrated. We face a serious problem here because of a lack of several kinds of insects. The result is that pollination of fruits like apple trees etc. does not take place to the necessary extent anymore.
    And we are not in China yet, we don't have to pay some people do do the pollination by hands.

    I would end on that, because I found it very funny, a little bit insane, yet totally true :

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  • Suna123
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    Originally posted by Vespres View Post
    Biodiversity in the animal kingdom is overrated. 99.9% of all species that have ever lived are now extinct. That includes most branches of humanity.

    People should not care as much as they do about preserving individual species like the Panda, the white Rhino, etc. True environmentalists should care more about reducing pollution and co2 emissions. Preserving individual megafauna species because they "look cool" is missing the forest for the trees.
    I try to ensure diversity of insects and this is everything else but overrated. We face a serious problem here because of a lack of several kinds of insects. The result is that pollination of fruits like apple trees etc. does not take place to the necessary extent anymore.

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  • Etsia
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    One question, it is not related to the thread, just like the first sentence you have started your thread with, do you consider people who do not embrace the idea that diversity and multiculturalism have failed if it is present in one country fascists? Do you consider those who do not want to see millions of so called refugees damaging their place and threatening their security to be fascists? If you did not want such a discussion, why did you actually start your thread with the particular sentence about diversity and fascism? oooops, that is more than one question but would be interesting to get the answers...

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  • Sancta_Lux
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    Ok, species have disappeared, so it's ok if current ones disappear as well. What an awesome reasoning. It was obvious you were murican or something liek this even before checking your profile, lel.

    So now... There is a concept called ecology, which is generally not the shit medias are talking about but a Science. In this science, you study the link between species and their environment, which make you realize that biodiversity is a whole chain and that taking the risk of losing a ring/link of this chain is taking the risk of losing a more or less big part of the said chain.
    In this, it's absolutely not about saving species because they look "cool" (actually a rhinoceros is kinda ugly for most of people, but anyway...), it's about saving their role into an environment.


    An example of this : In Europe, and you did partially the same shit in North America, we have rekt most of the predators which results in an overpopulation fo the preys... Which results in the destruction of the forests and the other species. To face this, humans have to hunt those animals and introduce back the wolf, for example.
    In Australia, your cousin from somewhere a basic murican can't place on a map, lelele, the way Europeans have introduced cats, rabbits and rats is also destroying the environment they live in. In USA, you have some snakes that are doing the same.

    As you might see here, it's rarely about an "individual megafauna species) (megafauna is gone/doesn't really exist btw), but about a whole system where the panda is used as a marketing product (a showcase if you want) to make people willing to support the cause more.


    Also, an "environmentalist" would probably support the reduction of the pollution and CO2 emissions as well, it would also support the reduction of CH4 and the industrial farming plus the GMO production if it causes issues.

    Finally, the diversity exist and is needed, but there is also another kind of diversity that, you, muricans and especially your neighbour from Canada should know very well as you have some natural hybrids between wolves and coyotes, or polar bears and grizzlies. The "myth" of diversity is itself a myth
    Last edited by Sancta_Lux; 10-05-2018, 10:08 PM.

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