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  • #76
    Originally posted by Tux1 View Post

    Eurovision is bad because it's supported and funded by shady, corporate globalists (countries which have governments who support the neo-Marxist agenda). The intent is not music or art but propaganda and influencing (read: brainwashing) young minds....I think that's disingenuous but apparently you have no problem with lacking ethics or perhaps, you're just so blindly naiive that you have no idea what's going on.

    never thought about Eurovision from this perspective really. well I just never thought about it at all.
    ok i may be pretty ignorant in all these political games as i've always been apolitical and did not try to figure out how it all works

    most disturbing for me from all you wrote is this: 'With the EU deals and aligning itself with westernized globalization, they will be eventually adhering to the 'multiculturalism transformation.' The EU will need areas/space in which to place their 'refugees.' In supporting Westernization, you support it all, not just what you prefer or parts you favour.'
    What solution you see as best for Ukraine then?
    Let's imagine that you are ukrainian and live here, you have no influence to big politics and you're just immersed in your work, your life and family. your actions?

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Tux1 View Post
      Eurovision is bad because it's supported and funded by shady, corporate globalists (countries which have governments who support the neo-Marxist agenda).
      The European Broadcast Union consists of the public broadcasters of all European countries (except Liechtenstein which hasn't got one) and as such what you are saying is that all the diverse European governments from Portugal to Norway to Ukraine to Russia all have a common evil agenda. Even by the standards of your conspiracy theories that's pretty nutty.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Al_ice View Post
        never thought about Eurovision from this perspective really. well I just never thought about it at all.
        ok i may be pretty ignorant in all these political games as i've always been apolitical and did not try to figure out how it all works

        most disturbing for me from all you wrote is this: 'With the EU deals and aligning itself with westernized globalization, they will be eventually adhering to the 'multiculturalism transformation.' The EU will need areas/space in which to place their 'refugees.' In supporting Westernization, you support it all, not just what you prefer or parts you favour.'
        What solution you see as best for Ukraine then?
        Let's imagine that you are ukrainian and live here, you have no influence to big politics and you're just immersed in your work, your life and family. your actions?
        Good question and I have even been asked by friends who have discussed the topic, with me, 'what should we do?' Imho, Ukrainians have no choice but to BECOME POLITICAL. At the very least, become informed and vote (or not vote), accordingly. Ironically, these political problems are not so different as other countries, in particular the Western democracy countries (you admire). Probably the main difference is the influence from the Soviet Union which has 'held it back.' But, other countries are in trouble despite what citizens there may say and what you see. So, I never said that Ukrainians should not want to leave the worst aspects of the FSU behind and Russia's influence but I suggest to only see 'the positives' is naiive.

        What would I do as a Ukrainian? As I said, I think political activism is essential there even if you (don't like politics) it. How can things change if you are neutral or do nothing? The Elites/leaders want you to be sheeple, to do nothing and be robots. If you are complacent in being controlled, then what happens to you will depend on what their intentions/goals are (for themselves). For e.g., if you just want to make money, have a good standard of living and be happy, you won't necessarily be in control to make that happen. Perhaps, to an extent, but if TPTB want your country to collapse, then they will change conditions so that can happen. Which brings me to my next point to be on topic but also provide you an example.

        "Why is eurovision bad?' you asked? Well, it's not like there are no perspectives or questions about it being propaganda. It also costs Ukrainians a lot of money. Shouldn't this money be for YOU and your fellow citizens? If you want 'Western style' conditions, isn't it part of the society in which the government helps people who are struggling (in the way of social services) by providing for them? Ukraine is practically broke but somehow found the funds to finance this propaganda farce. Even if you refuse to believe it's propaganda, it's still an argument I suggest you cannot refute. The current government which promises the people for reforms and to (not waste money, hopefully) squander away $ is wasting it to fund a 'song competition' (that just happens to be filled with political conflict every year, it seems). Whether it is spent on funding military conflict or song contests, it doesn't seem like a humanistic way of improving Ukraine. That's just how I see it, though. Perhaps other Ukrainians will agree when they think about it?
        http://www.op.se/opinion/ledare/euro...-av-propaganda
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1524...ropaganda.html
        http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/18200

        https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/05/16/...-web-companies
        http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-1...-its-gold-gone
        http://americanfreepress.net/massive...ts-in-ukraine/
        https://www.sprottmoney.com/Blog/cha...oney-news.html
        http://www.strategic-culture.org/new...aine-gold.html
        https://www.caseyresearch.com/gsd/ed...or-lead-bricks

        http://www.economist.com/blogs/econo...st-explains-15
        http://escreporter.com/ukraine-estim...-2017-hosting/
        https://www.unian.info/society/13508...urovision.html

        http://z-news.link/ukrainians-are-ou...ision-in-kiev/

        ““Eurovision” will cost Ukraine two times more expensive than Sweden.

        Ukraine will spend around 30 million euros for the “Eurovision 2017” in Kiev. This figure has recently become the subject of intense discussion in social networks.
        Especially when it turned out that it is more expensive than the competition in prosperous Sweden last year.”
        https://ukrhotnews.com/2017/04/27/to...ental-housing/

        The other links I included is about the mysterious disappearance of Ukraine's gold reserves. Perhaps you and murcat can explain to me where they went? The theory that seems to be published the most and makes most sense (to me, anyway) is that it was shipped off to the U.S. It just so happens to disappear after the West interfered in the Ukraine 'revolution/rebellion' and overthrow of Yanukovych. The significance of this is that gold is considered by many to be a hedge against deterioration in value of a country's fiat (i.e. currency) money and that would probably be useful to a country like Ukraine. Except, unfortunately, it disappeared in a short time and the irony of the actual time it did, should alarm a lot of people who live there or who still want to live there. I think it's sad if people just shrug things off with plans to move/emigrate or if they think it doesn't matter because 'these things happen all the time there' (i.e. theft, corruption etc.). The difference is that 'outsiders/foreigners' participated or outright engineered the theft. And officials there let it happen. I don't think it was on the front pages of news there and that should tell you something.


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        • #79
          Ukraine absolutely needs to invest in events like the ESC if it wants to become an attractive tourist destination, the boost provided by improved reputation easily offsets the fairly modest costs related to hosting the events. Secondly it also improves the domestic self-confidence and know-how.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Tux1 View Post

            If I don't adhere and announce the same 'pro-Western' spiel that you do, that means I'm a 'vatnik', Putinbot (except, I'm not Russian. Can I still be one, though?), right? It's convenient to forget that I have criticized Putin, neo-Soviet style of modern Russia, declared empathy for ordinary Russians and stated that they are neglected. How many vatkniks say the same? Let me guess what the answer is? ZERO?
            well, then you are a half-vatnik ))) because you still perceive the western world as something dangerous, awful , that is not worth attention, just like russian vatniks do )))

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Tux1 View Post
              1) Western /Westernized countries promote/support globalization and thus, support and promote multiculturalism. Saying they run contrary to multiculturalism doesn't hold water and is frankly, a ridiculous and false assertion.
              Wait... there's the West, there's multiculturalism which's on the West exclusively... So, westernization is supposed to bring multiculturalism in islamic countries? Applying this idea to them it means accepting non-muslim culture over there. Isn't it great?
              Originally posted by Tux1 View Post
              2) you constantly make ridiculous arguments and claims while provoking certain posters (not me...as I really don't care for your stupid theories/viewpoints).
              There's definitely nothing ridiculous in my arguments which are very logical and reasonable. And I don't care about someone being provoked, if someone doesn't reply I consider he adreed with me or has nothing to say.
              Originally posted by Tux1 View Post
              Gonna ignore your idiotic comments from now on.
              Because you've got nothing smart to reply them, I suppose
              Originally posted by Tux1 View Post
              You're highly predictable anyway so hopefully, other posters will get the hint and ignore you as well.
              As if I'm supposed to surprise you with every post lol.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Tux1 View Post
                You have no problem in your country's government giving up its sovereignty?
                Why is it supposed to be a problem? Sovereignty is foremost for people, not for countries.

                Originally posted by Tux1 View Post
                Besides/after the coup of the previous regime,
                After the revolution.
                fixed.

                Originally posted by Tux1 View Post
                U.S./Western allies conspired and decided who would be the choice for your leader(s) and administration. It was even leaked as a recording. The top levels of government aren't even ethnic Ukrainian. The Western governments not only disrespected your country's citizens but treat you all as sheeple that can be controlled and influenced to vote/select parties/politicians of their choosing/favour. This led to practically half of the country rejecting this development leading to the hostilities and conflict that has resulted in the murder/injury of many of your countrymen on both sides. Russia capitalized on the conflict by funding the other 'section(s)' (half?) of the country and providing/securing it with weapons/ammo etc.
                conspiracy crap... in spite I often tolerate it, this isn't really worth to comment.

                Originally posted by Tux1 View Post
                The country is enslaved because Ukraine is no longer sovereign.
                Could you tell me, is Luxemburg sovereign? If it's not I suppose you should push your agenda to its citizens - make Luxemburg great again!


                Originally posted by Tux1 View Post
                Eurovision is bad because it's supported and funded by shady, corporate globalists (countries which have governments who support the neo-Marxist agenda). The intent is not music or art but propaganda and influencing (read: brainwashing) young minds....I think that's disingenuous but apparently you have no problem with lacking ethics or perhaps, you're just so blindly naiive that you have no idea what's going on.
                You sound like sectant lol... where's your tin foil hat?

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by murcat View Post
                  well, then you are a half-vatnik ))) because you still perceive the western world as something dangerous, awful , that is not worth attention, just like russian vatniks do )))
                  I call them conservatniks

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Tux1 View Post
                    Good question and I have even been asked by friends who have discussed the topic, with me, 'what should we do?'..
                    thanks for the answers & links.

                    Originally posted by Tux1 View Post
                    The other links I included is about the mysterious disappearance of Ukraine's gold reserves. Perhaps you and murcat can explain to me where they went?
                    it's not me. I swear I did not take it!

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                    • #85
                      I think Bulgaria should have won
                      http://www.cinemadoor.com/images/tum...odpvo15001.gif

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Al_ice View Post

                        who said about average wages? i just reread my post - no word about the average wages there. i was talking about western companies and wages there, and yes i 'don't think', i know it for sure what people earn there
                        So you just mean immigration? Well, sure it will be easier for Ukrainians once they enter EU, but that's not really the point I've made in my first post.
                        http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/...20100803203515

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Phdintho1 View Post
                          right back at ya

                          No way!

                          All normal people accept it. And only primitive ones put some social shit above western values.

                          taking refugees is not western values.

                          Nothing like that is gonna happen. The world will be westernized. And western values are clearly contrary to islam.


                          Relatively small... well, let's say in other way: insignificant.

                          I don't care about your jobs situation, actually.

                          firstly you should take western values and respect freedom, and then deal with economical crap.
                          What a rubbish [2]. Your standards of normal do not intrest me much. As for taking refugees of course it's western values, the morons from EU Commision also western politicians threaten with sanctions to Poland for not obeying "western values" which basically means not taking refugees.
                          Your prophecies do not intrest me too moron, the world might as well be islamized if people do not react on time or leftist morons will keep them in denial.
                          We do not need to learn freedom from western idiots, Poland had first Constitution in Europe, in the times of thirty years war in the west we've had relligious freedom and tolerance for all faiths since like 50 years already. When Europe was ruled by totalitarian idiots, Polish nobility was enjoying almost democratic standards including legal right to disobey the king. So stop teaching me about freedom, we have no complex of any kind when it comes to it.
                          Last edited by jordan_rudess; 05-19-2017, 10:50 PM.
                          http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/...20100803203515

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                          • #88
                            Poland is not yet lost thanks to the EU, with firm partners like Macron there is still hope.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by -Lauri- View Post
                              Poland is not yet lost thanks to the EU, with firm partners like Macron there is still hope.
                              A hope to what? You will probably be glad when this leftist bitch puts sanction to Poland.
                              http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/...20100803203515

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                              • #90
                                Of course, the Polish junta was betting on the wrong horse and now has to pay for it. But what counts is not them, instead it has to serve the return of Tusk and other democrats back to power.

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