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  • #16
    Originally posted by Hades91 View Post

    In "normal" societies as well as modern forensic technology is clearance rate for rape relatively high, but some societies aren't willing to punish rapists for their deeds.
    I assure you, if such an asshole get jailed for 10-15 years and daily fucked by swedish skinheads, the next shitskin will think twice before he looks at a girl.
    The problem is with the victims. Most women don't report a rape for whatever reason. For the tiny minority of men who are convicted of rape, prison is a very dangerous place for them. Prisoners don't like rapists, wife beaters and child molesters...unless these criminals are notable members of society. In this case, they are respected by other inmates.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by RogerCarmel View Post

      The problem is with the victims. Most women don't report a rape for whatever reason. For the tiny minority of men who are convicted of rape, prison is a very dangerous place for them. Prisoners don't like rapists, wife beaters and child molesters...unless these criminals are notable members of society. In this case, they are respected by other inmates.

      Even if rape is often a violence orgy instead of uncontrolled sexual desire, about many women are fantasizing. Many women don't report rapes because they fear to be confronted with police, medics and prosecution more than possible vengeance act of the rapist, that's true.
      I can remember after a serial rapist has been caught on hand off DNA evidences, his DNA was already in database because he was previously convicted as sexual predator. As the story seeped in the media, many women reported that they have been raped too by the same man very close to place, where this one women who helped the police to catch him.

      It seem many women don't think rape is that bad and they don't need to report and cooperate with police to prevent more rapes. This is the difference to jail birds, which ostracize sexual predators even from jail society.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Hades91 View Post
        Even if rape is often a violence orgy instead of uncontrolled sexual desire, about many women are fantasizing. Many women don't report rapes because they fear to be confronted with police, medics and prosecution more than possible vengeance act of the rapist, that's true.
        I can remember after a serial rapist has been caught on hand off DNA evidences, his DNA was already in database because he was previously convicted as sexual predator. As the story seeped in the media, many women reported that they have been raped too by the same man very close to place, where this one women who helped the police to catch him.

        It seem many women don't think rape is that bad and they don't need to report and cooperate with police to prevent more rapes. This is the difference to jail birds, which ostracize sexual predators even from jail society.
        Well, we are discussing two different things. Most rapes are between a woman and a man she knows: an acquaintance, or a family member (brother/cousin/uncle) or a friend. These are the rapes I'm talking about because they are much more common than what you are talking about: a crazy, sick man attacking strangers. Your rapists are quite rare but they make headlines because they are more spectacular. When they are caught, they always go to jail. My rapists almost never pay for their crime. The women don't complain because the authorities would not take them seriously in many cases, and they have often decided to complain when it is much too late.

        I've spoken to several men in jail who've suggested they raped their sisters, wives, daughters and friends but couldn't admit it to me because of my judicial position. They remained vague about the circumstances but we both understood each other. They were in jail for other reasons and needed someone to talk to.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by RogerCarmel View Post

          Well, we are discussing two different things. Most rapes are between a woman and a man she knows: an acquaintance, or a family member (brother/cousin/uncle) or a friend. These are the rapes I'm talking about because they are much more common than what you are talking about: a crazy, sick man attacking strangers. Your rapists are quite rare but they make headlines because they are more spectacular. When they are caught, they always go to jail. My rapists almost never pay for their crime. The women don't complain because the authorities would not take them seriously in many cases, and they have often decided to complain when it is much too late.

          I've spoken to several men in jail who've suggested they raped their sisters, wives, daughters and friends but couldn't admit it to me because of my judicial position. They remained vague about the circumstances but we both understood each other. They were in jail for other reasons and needed someone to talk to.

          You must understand i'm not a rapist nor an expert in behavior of sexual predators. I just wanted remain alongside of topic, where a stranger or group of strangers rapes a random woman/women.
          I suppose this kind of rape has in Sweden more relevance than those all others.

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          • #20
            How to prove a verbal agreement (or absence ... )? You need to use the recorder or witness (but how many witnesses?) ... homemade porn.
            Last edited by dmitri11; 01-08-2018, 06:25 AM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Hades91 View Post

              You must understand i'm not a rapist nor an expert in behavior of sexual predators. I just wanted remain alongside of topic, where a stranger or group of strangers rapes a random woman/women.
              I suppose this kind of rape has in Sweden more relevance than those all others.
              OK...rapists who select random women are harder to catch and bring to justice. Most normal people would denounce such a rapist if they recognized him from a police drawing or surveillance video. That's about all that can be hoped for.

              In any event, Sweden is reaping the dubious rewards of its very liberal social policies.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by RogerCarmel View Post

                OK...rapists who select random women are harder to catch and bring to justice. Most normal people would denounce such a rapist if they recognized him from a police drawing or surveillance video. That's about all that can be hoped for.

                In any event, Sweden is reaping the dubious rewards of its very liberal social policies.

                tacit permit of authorities...perhaps.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Hades91 View Post

                  tacit permit of authorities...perhaps.

                  I don't think you are seeing tacit permission to rape. It's more likely that lawmakers want to be seen to be doing the right thing by the general population, all the while not wanting to appear xenophobic by singling out the ethnicity of the sex offenders.



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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by RogerCarmel View Post


                    I don't think you are seeing tacit permission to rape. It's more likely that lawmakers want to be seen to be doing the right thing by the general population, all the while not wanting to appear xenophobic by singling out the ethnicity of the sex offenders.


                    racism and xenophobia the new ultimate "go out of jail" cards.
                    An agitation to create hate and insecurity, it seem it's a desired direction.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Hades91 View Post

                      racism and xenophobia the new ultimate "go out of jail" cards.
                      An agitation to create hate and insecurity, it seem it's a desired direction.
                      Aren't you happy you don't live in Swedenistan?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Hades91 View Post
                        In "normal" societies as well as modern forensic technology is clearance rate for rape relatively high, but some societies aren't willing to punish rapists for their deeds.
                        I assure you, if such an asshole get jailed for 10-15 years and daily fucked by swedish skinheads, the next shitskin will think twice before he looks at a girl.
                        Firstly, not too many from such societies are going to go to jail. They come from a cult where lying is very much a part of the DNA of everyday life and are much better at it than just about any Westerner. Any case of "your word against mine" will often mean that they will win in front of a Western judge.

                        Getting anally assaulted by skinheads in prison would be seen more as "a test by Allah" and less as a disincentive for raping women.

                        There are essentially three reasons why they rape. The first is that it is driven by a sexual imbalance due to high rates of immigration by males and also polygamy - "official" or otherwise Sharia-driven - taking out additional numbers of females from the "available" population. The second is that their cult justifies such rape.

                        The third reason is the seriously dysfunctional interactions between men and women because of cult rules which cause many men to become hyper-aroused being in the presence of women in comparison with people who grew up in a normal social environment where social interaction between men and women was something normal.

                        If you think that rapes of Swedish women is bad, I can't imagine how it would be among the Muslim women in Sweden - given all the above I've mentioned. Furthermore, a Muslim woman raped by a Muslim man would say nothing lest she herself gets held up as being an adulterer.

                        In addition, rapes of family members would be far less likely to be reported to authorities on account of it being "an internal religious matter". To top it all off, they wouldn't even talk about it on fear of creating Fitna. Islamic culture is such that creating "turbulence" in a family setting is one of the huge sins in Islam.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by RogerCarmel View Post

                          Aren't you happy you don't live in Swedenistan?

                          glee is a very special type of concern

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by aussieinbg View Post

                            Firstly, not too many from such societies are going to go to jail. They come from a cult where lying is very much a part of the DNA of everyday life and are much better at it than just about any Westerner. Any case of "your word against mine" will often mean that they will win in front of a Western judge.

                            Getting anally assaulted by skinheads in prison would be seen more as "a test by Allah" and less as a disincentive for raping women.

                            There are essentially three reasons why they rape. The first is that it is driven by a sexual imbalance due to high rates of immigration by males and also polygamy - "official" or otherwise Sharia-driven - taking out additional numbers of females from the "available" population. The second is that their cult justifies such rape.

                            The third reason is the seriously dysfunctional interactions between men and women because of cult rules which cause many men to become hyper-aroused being in the presence of women in comparison with people who grew up in a normal social environment where social interaction between men and women was something normal.

                            If you think that rapes of Swedish women is bad, I can't imagine how it would be among the Muslim women in Sweden - given all the above I've mentioned. Furthermore, a Muslim woman raped by a Muslim man would say nothing lest she herself gets held up as being an adulterer.

                            In addition, rapes of family members would be far less likely to be reported to authorities on account of it being "an internal religious matter". To top it all off, they wouldn't even talk about it on fear of creating Fitna. Islamic culture is such that creating "turbulence" in a family setting is one of the huge sins in Islam.
                            The reasons why they rape lie on the hand. Mostly that any non-muslim girl is 'outlawed' whore according to belief they have been tough and western culture, law and society is seen as inferior because of its tolerance and lack of aggressiveness.

                            The western political correctness what is indoctrinated with postmodern bullshit and divided through cultural Marxism, tries to avoid particular topic at all costs. Especially feminists which should made here a storm are calm and submissive like Cinderellas in stepmother's kitchen. They prefer to embrace hijab as new sign of solidarity with so terrible oppressed Muslims by white evil males (alias patriarchy), then to fight for harder sentences and more awareness for rape in the west or rights for women in islamic countries which remove their hijabs as a sign of fight against islamic oppression.

                            The next problem especially in Sweden is that their males are terrified of confrontation with Muslims. As I've read a report about rapes on swedish music festival, where a horde of Muslims insulted robed and sexual assaulted several girls, i thought what would happen here in poland in such case. I think if the security wouldn't do their job (what is purpose on security on festivals, i worked a time long in such security firm) then random polish guys would beat the shit out of those muslims. Swedish men are too indoctrinated and have no civil courage at all, calling police and waiting on them isn't often a solution to resolve a dangerous situation for other person. Even a guy who beats a women or a child needs to be stopped immediately, because something like that can escalate so quickly that police isn't able to react so fast.

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                            • #29
                              Here's a humourous look at what women have to go through when reporting a rape. It may help you understand why some women prefer to stay silent...



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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
                                https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...plicit-consent

                                From a legal point of view this is the most ridiculous idea that I've ever heard. Opinions?
                                This should be the most scientific way to tackle this issue. But its also true that too much scientific policies takes away the natural flow of our life. It gradually makes us lifeless.

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