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  • #16
    It seems Italian coast guard has taken a part of those "rescued" (most males) on the board of their SAR navy vessel.
    The question is what is their destination? Maybe Valencia in Spain?

    It would be credible after Aquarius complained to be overloaded with "passengers" and the captain was afraid because of 15kt wind on the way to Valencia. After resupply and reducing of Aquarius' load, is the vessels ready for such journey.

    Next hours will be interesting, maybe the Italy allows to disembark remaining women, children and few males on board of Aquarius in an Italian port with a big propaganda show.
    Maybe Italian government is serious and they "relocate" that so "desirable" cultural enrichment to Spain.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Hades91 View Post
      It seems Italian coast guard has taken a part of those "rescued" (most males) on the board of their SAR navy vessel.
      The question is what is their destination? Maybe Valencia in Spain?

      It would be credible after Aquarius complained to be overloaded with "passengers" and the captain was afraid because of 15kt wind on the way to Valencia. After resupply and reducing of Aquarius' load, is the vessels ready for such journey.

      Next hours will be interesting, maybe the Italy allows to disembark remaining women, children and few males on board of Aquarius in an Italian port with a big propaganda show.
      Maybe Italian government is serious and they "relocate" that so "desirable" cultural enrichment to Spain.
      The tactic might be to get them to Spain and see if fewer welfare benefits is going to provide a disincentive for future "refugees" to come.

      Of course this is not going to work.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by aussieinbg View Post

        The tactic might be to get them to Spain and see if fewer welfare benefits is going to provide a disincentive for future "refugees" to come.

        Of course this is not going to work.
        The best and most effective solution to stop this madness would be to bring those "rescued" back to Libya. Libyans ports are the closest one to the place of search and rescue actions of NGO vessels.
        However I suppose Italian government works here with so called salami tactic. Sell the expensive sausage not as one piece but if fine slices to your customers. While the customers are EU parliament that wants to destroy national states and completely self destructive mainstream media.
        Maybe is this a precursor action for something bigger, maybe not.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Hades91 View Post

          The best and most effective solution to stop this madness would be to bring those "rescued" back to Libya. Libyans ports are the closest one to the place of search and rescue actions of NGO vessels.
          However I suppose Italian government works here with so called salami tactic. Sell the expensive sausage not as one piece but if fine slices to your customers. While the customers are EU parliament that wants to destroy national states and completely self destructive mainstream media.
          Maybe is this a precursor action for something bigger, maybe not.
          The ultimate aim here is to break the human smuggler business model.

          For sure one step would be relanding them back in Libya and turning boats back to Libya. However, human smugglers are not too adverse to this - it means that for a certain proportion of people, they collect more than one fee from those who try more than once. This is what had happened with "refugees" getting smuggled by boat from Indonesia to Australia. The Australian navy was pushing boats with "refugees" back into Indonesian territorial waters. That sort of tactic stems the flow but doesn't completely stop it.

          What really turned off the tap for Australia was off-shore processing. When they were no longer being processed in Australia, then it made it so much more a disincentive to try their luck to get to Australia. It's much harder to pay back your people smuggler while sitting in Nauru than by running a prostitution ring within a refugee processing centre near metropolitan Perth or Sydney (yes, I had heard 1st hand accounts of these things - that's why you have to be very careful about how and who you allow in).



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          • #20
            Originally posted by aussieinbg View Post

            The ultimate aim here is to break the human smuggler business model.

            For sure one step would be relanding them back in Libya and turning boats back to Libya. However, human smugglers are not too adverse to this - it means that for a certain proportion of people, they collect more than one fee from those who try more than once. This is what had happened with "refugees" getting smuggled by boat from Indonesia to Australia. The Australian navy was pushing boats with "refugees" back into Indonesian territorial waters. That sort of tactic stems the flow but doesn't completely stop it.

            What really turned off the tap for Australia was off-shore processing. When they were no longer being processed in Australia, then it made it so much more a disincentive to try their luck to get to Australia. It's much harder to pay back your people smuggler while sitting in Nauru than by running a prostitution ring within a refugee processing centre near metropolitan Perth or Sydney (yes, I had heard 1st hand accounts of these things - that's why you have to be very careful about how and who you allow in).


            EU had a idea how their offshore process should look like. While the honey pots like Germany and Sweden should lure illegals with social benefits, after cherry picking of those usable ones the remaining trash should been relocated to eastern EU countries. That would discourage those unwanted ones and they would finally go back. That was their plan, but it failed because we said fuck off.

            Bigger group of Chechnians tried to cross EU boarder between Belarus and Poland few years ago. We rejected their entry and asylum application. No visa no entry that's the Schengen rule. EU and liberal media outraged short but it was everything according to EU laws. Since then is the immigration pressure on the eastern EU border marginal. If our government would allow to cross over our boarder without proper documents to this one illegals group once, I assure you that we would had similar problem like Greece of Spain today.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Hades91 View Post
              EU had a idea how their offshore process should look like. While the honey pots like Germany and Sweden should lure illegals with social benefits, after cherry picking of those usable ones the remaining trash should been relocated to eastern EU countries. That would discourage those unwanted ones and they would finally go back. That was their plan, but it failed because we said fuck off.
              Bigger group of Chechnians tried to cross EU boarder between Belarus and Poland few years ago. We rejected their entry and asylum application. No visa no entry that's the Schengen rule. EU and liberal media outraged short but it was everything according to EU laws. Since then is the immigration pressure on the eastern EU border marginal. If our government would allow to cross over our boarder without proper documents to this one illegals group once, I assure you that we would had similar problem like Greece of Spain today.
              Austria is definitely trying to change how things work. This didn't even make the BBC, but Kurz has plans for Austrian "refugees" - sending them to safe places but without the economic benefits of Central European living, such as Albania!!!

              https://www.b92.net/eng/news/world.p...p;amp;dd=13&am p;amp;nav_id =104387

              Albania is not such a good potential choice because Italy is just a short boat ride away. However, Kurz does seem to be thinking along the right lines in terms of solving illegal economic migration.

              Interestingly, Austria gets the EU presidency from the 1st of July. Watch all this come onto the agenda in a big wave.
              Last edited by aussieinbg; 06-14-2018, 06:52 AM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by aussieinbg View Post

                Austria is definitely trying to change how things work. This didn't even make the BBC, but Kurz has plans for Austrian "refugees" - sending them to safe places but without the economic benefits of Central European living, such as Albania!!!

                https://www.b92.net/eng/news/world.p...p;amp;dd=13&am p;amp;nav_id =104387

                Albania is not such a good potential choice because Italy is just a short boat ride away. However, Kurz does seem to be thinking along the right lines in terms of solving illegal economic migration.

                Interestingly, Austria gets the EU presidency from the 1st of July. Watch all this come onto the agenda in a big wave.
                Hmmm , isn't Albania the biggest moslem state in Europe ?The only moslem state with a white population,who's going to come up with the zaka ?
                I don't think Albania is going to agree but perhaps they will be made an offer " they can't refuse "...

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Elishar View Post

                  Hmmm , isn't Albania the biggest moslem state in Europe ?The only moslem state with a white population,who's going to come up with the zaka ?
                  I don't think Albania is going to agree but perhaps they will be made an offer " they can't refuse "...
                  There's a couple of reasons why Albanian Islamists would agree - they get a ready made Islamic population to tip the balance from 50-50 Muslim Christian to more than 50% Muslim.

                  And, as they say, everyone has their price. The 100th name of Allah is "Dirham", which in Albania is known as "Lek" and which can translate into alternative names for Allah such as "Euro" or even "USD".

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                  • #24
                    Aquarius is on her way to Spain.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by aussieinbg View Post

                      Austria is definitely trying to change how things work. This didn't even make the BBC, but Kurz has plans for Austrian "refugees" - sending them to safe places but without the economic benefits of Central European living, such as Albania!!!

                      https://www.b92.net/eng/news/world.p...p;amp;dd=13&am p;amp;nav_id =104387

                      Albania is not such a good potential choice because Italy is just a short boat ride away. However, Kurz does seem to be thinking along the right lines in terms of solving illegal economic migration.

                      Interestingly, Austria gets the EU presidency from the 1st of July. Watch all this come onto the agenda in a big wave.
                      Kurz wants a shortage of social benefits for those who don't speak proper german and he wants to end the payment for children which are living outside EU.
                      In Germany got Merkel two weeks ultimatum to regulate immigration on EU level, what is an illusion anyways because EU isn't able to do this since 2015. Else the Bavarian CSU minister Seehofer will close german boarders for illegal immigrants per "minister decision". Of course CDU/CSU would do nothing if AfD wouldn't gain that many support among german citizens.

                      Offshoring to Albania or other third states is anyway ineffective, as far as those refuges aren't enclosed in guarded camps, because they will always move to the country with higher social benefits and better opportunity to get money.
                      Without social benefits those illegals become mostly criminals.
                      Only mass deportations help after the asylum application has been rejected for those illegal immigrants and closing boarders that they have no chance to apply for an asylum is only a reasonable option.
                      That's the reality those economical illegal immigrants are responsible for destroying of the asylum application option for people who could really need it.
                      Last edited by Hades91; 06-15-2018, 11:25 AM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Hades91 View Post

                        Kurz wants a shortage of social benefits for those who don't speak proper german and he wants to end the payment for children which are living outside EU.
                        In Germany got Merkel two weeks ultimatum to regulate immigration on EU level, what is an illusion anyways because EU isn't able to do this since 2015. Else the Bavarian CSU minister Seehofer will close german boarders for illegal immigrants per "minister decision". Of course CDU/CSU would do nothing if AfD wouldn't gain that many support among german citizens.

                        Offshoring to Albania or other third states is anyway ineffective, as far as those refuges aren't enclosed in guarded camps, because they will always move to the country with higher social benefits and better opportunity to get money.
                        Without social benefits those illegals become mostly criminals.
                        Only mass deportations help after the asylum application has been rejected for those illegal immigrants and closing boarders that they have no chance to apply for an asylum is only a reasonable option.
                        That's the reality those economical illegal immigrants are responsible for destroying of the asylum application option for people who could really need it.
                        Even the ones who supposedly 'really need it' shouldn't be in Europe. There were closer destinations and more compatible locales they could have gone to. It was the Elites and their agenda that sent the message to come to Europe, whether the NGOs or the ones in even higher political positions. Look at Merkel's announcement to 'all, come to Europe, we will welcome you with open arms' nonsense and the smugglers' seizing that opportunity to market this insanity.

                        These cucks like Seehofer are just trying to sell this 'responsible' migration and Merkel is talking about dividing up the responsibility which are mere bandaids on a problem that doesn't require it. The electorate and the populace need to recognize what is happening so they can actually sincerely address the problem.
                        Last edited by Tux1; 06-15-2018, 03:49 PM.

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                        • #27
                          Hahahaha Italy XD


                          https://www.thelocal.it/20180616/ita...is-not-welcome

                          Imagine how many future noble price winners, black Leonardo da Vincis and Albert Einsteins are on those ships. You see always the enormous increase of crimes, rapes and murder that bring those people into EU, but never the benefits for your native population.
                          (As far as such exist)

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