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  • #31
    Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post

    No. I already explained why it's the same as defamation of those who survived it.
    Different meanings The only similarities is people's feelings.

    Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
    No I'm not. I have aristocratic roots
    As anybody. Still you are not aristocrate and have no title.

    Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
    No. Commies prefered factory workers to farmers, but there was no "hate" included
    Since peasants turn out to be workers.

    Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
    Pfft, I was in kindergarten. I remember everything
    Glad to read you remember the soft one.

    Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
    By you I mean French people
    Which is stupid since you are talking to me and not to french people, plus I'm not french but Breton.

    Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
    Nope
    Oh yes you are since you are so convinced to be out of the shit.

    Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
    The results of the elections in France, or Western Europe, show that you are in some extreme minority
    The elections in France don't reflect any kind of majority, if the majority was ruling, there wouldn't be any Macron either. Still he is president because French people are cuck pro white flag.

    Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
    lol, of course you're not, you're French Your revolution started destruction of European monarchies
    Once again I am Breton, and Brittany is much more older than France or Poland.
    As for being french, there is no relation between a nationality and having political ideas, moreover there was french monarchist during the Revolution, if you don't know that, I wonder how could you say it started destruction of European monarchies because it's also wrong.


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    • #32
      Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
      Different meanings The only similarities is people's feelings.
      It's very important similarity

      Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
      As anybody. Still you are not aristocrate and have no title.
      Ridiculous idea on par with "there are no races". Not anybody has aristocratic roots, there are descendants of non aristocracy as well.

      Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
      Since peasants turn out to be workers.
      As long as they stayed in the villages they were quite useless for commies

      Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
      Glad to read you remember the soft one.
      There is no such thing as soft communism

      Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
      Which is stupid since you are talking to me and not to french people, plus I'm not french but Breton.
      You are one of the French

      Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
      Oh yes you are since you are so convinced to be out of the shit.
      But I am, lol. Our leftists are OUTSIDE the parliament, they didn't get even 5% votes. What about your leftists?

      Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
      The elections in France don't reflect any kind of majority, if the majority was ruling, there wouldn't be any Macron either. Still he is president because French people are cuck pro white flag.
      Don't reflect any majority? Then how the hell he won it?

      Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
      Once again I am Breton, and Brittany is much more older than France or Poland.
      Last time I checked it was within French borders, but your attitude is somewhat intresting. Why don't you declare independence?

      Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
      As for being french, there is no relation between a nationality and having political ideas, moreover there was french monarchist during the Revolution, if you don't know that, I wonder how could you say it started destruction of European monarchies because it's also wrong.
      But you did start it. You were the first and then all fell like domino.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
        It's very important similarity
        yep, people getting upset, weak mind is the king nowaday.

        Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
        Ridiculous idea on par with "there are no races". Not anybody has aristocratic roots, there are descendants of non aristocracy as well.
        Ask any mathematician.

        Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
        As long as they stayed in the villages they were quite useless for commies
        And so were the workers unless they succeded to make them moving for communism, peasants work the same way.

        Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
        There is no such thing as soft communism
        There is, it's called socialism and it doesn't send you directly to the gulag.

        Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
        You are one of the French
        As Polish is Soviet.

        Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
        But I am, lol. Our leftists are OUTSIDE the parliament, they didn't get even 5% votes. What about your leftists?
        Again you are showing the big mistake you are making, thinking you are out of shit is the best way to be covered with it.

        Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
        Don't reflect any majority? Then how the hell he won it?
        Propaganda and white flag french cuck.

        Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
        Last time I checked it was within French borders, but your attitude is somewhat intresting. Why don't you declare independence?
        Brittany has a huge cancer and Bretons became extremely rares

        Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
        But you did start it. You were the first and then all fell like domino.
        France and French started nothing, stop the nonsense and just look at USA...

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post

          Ask any mathematician.
          Asking mathematician about that is like asking geneticist about races

          Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
          And so were the workers unless they succeded to make them moving for communism, peasants work the same way.
          I don't really know what you're talking about, it's just some weird theories about communism. In fact commies were not really intrested in farmers, except for the obligatory buyout of their products at weak prices, because it had to be sent to USRR

          Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
          There is, it's called socialism and it doesn't send you directly to the gulag.
          Poland never had it, socialism is what you're having now in the west.

          Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
          As Polish is Soviet.
          Poland is not within Russian borders and never was in Soviet times. While Brittany is in French borders

          Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
          Again you are showing the big mistake you are making, thinking you are out of shit is the best way to be covered with it.
          No. We are monitoring what is happening and react accordingly

          Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
          Brittany has a huge cancer and Bretons became extremely rares
          How convenient You didn't anwer my question why not declaring independence then? You're afraid you might get your ass kicked like Catalonians recently ?

          Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
          France and French started nothing,
          Yes you did.

          Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
          stop the nonsense and just look at USA...
          US never had monarchism, their battle was just to break colonial bonds nothing else.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Tux1 View Post
            I can only go by 'jordan' and the other Polish guy here and from my perception, jordan, at least, doesn't understand the principle or value of freedom of speech. Yes, the most prominent example is from the 'American' point of view or perspective but it's a universal principle and not strictly 'American.' It has been debated in American history but 'rights' of others are also considered and the element of harm is a distinct question or consideration. However, one needs to establish that harm is to such an extent that it outweighs the freedom of expression or speech and that's difficult to do.

            Once, you go down the road to limiting, restricting or preventing liberty, especially freedom of speech and expression, it's very easy to abuse that power and one has to acknowledge there are no checks and balances for governments who decide to abolish or prevent freedoms. After all, when one has enough power to prevent such a freedom, there is very little you can do about it unless enough people decide it's unethical and figure out how to respond.
            It's really not a universal value. It's freedom of speech is not valued in any African nation not really any Arab nation, it's not very valued in South America or Asia, with the exception of may e Japan. Freedom of speech, of self expression began as a British value that was later adopted by Europe and the British colonies.

            The very reason for America's revolt agaisnt Britian is that they felt that their rights as Englishmen had been violated. When we won the war and established a republic of our own we enshrined the freedom of speech into the bill of rights, it's the very first amendments, chief amount the American birthright, followed shortly thereafter by the 2nd Amendment which ensures the survival of the first.

            I think Free Speech seems such an American principal because we have a very steady history of preserving it in its true form, and we are very vocal about its value. In recent years I think the UK, and most of Europe has surrenders this right

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Ameriguy99 View Post

              It's really not a universal value. It's freedom of speech is not valued in any African nation not really any Arab nation, it's not very valued in South America or Asia, with the exception of may e Japan. Freedom of speech, of self expression began as a British value that was later adopted by Europe and the British colonies.

              The very reason for America's revolt agaisnt Britian is that they felt that their rights as Englishmen had been violated. When we won the war and established a republic of our own we enshrined the freedom of speech into the bill of rights, it's the very first amendments, chief amount the American birthright, followed shortly thereafter by the 2nd Amendment which ensures the survival of the first.

              I think Free Speech seems such an American principal because we have a very steady history of preserving it in its true form, and we are very vocal about its value. In recent years I think the UK, and most of Europe has surrenders this right
              But, it's still a universal value. Just because one nation adopts it and 'enshrines it in their Constitution' doesn't make it strictly an 'American value.' Yes, it seems that way and Americans can be proud that they are among a small group that supports that principle but freedom and liberty is a principle that one can believe in as a universal principle.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Tux1 View Post
                But, it's still a universal value. Just because one nation adopts it and 'enshrines it in their Constitution' doesn't make it strictly an 'American value.' Yes, it seems that way and Americans can be proud that they are among a small group that supports that principle but freedom and liberty is a principle that one can believe in as a universal principle.
                There is no such thing as "universal principles", that's just one of elements of leftist nonsense.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
                  Asking mathematician about that is like asking geneticist about races
                  Yep, sure it's not as good as a "It's like I said because DEUS VUUUULLLTTT"; not that sensationalist.


                  Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
                  I don't really know what you're talking about, it's just some weird theories about communism. In fact commies were not really intrested in farmers, except for the obligatory buyout of their products at weak prices, because it had to be sent to USRR
                  There is no theory... It's a fact that communists want(ed) both of them, they call(ed) that proletarians and they want(ed) all of them, Mao got power with peasantry.

                  Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
                  Poland never had it, socialism is what you're having now in the west.
                  You had, socialism is only wider than communism, you had it in form of social democracy and Polish even elected a president from this party.

                  Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
                  Poland is not within Russian borders and never was in Soviet times. While Brittany is in French borders
                  Poland had been in both Societ and Nazis borders, you are being revisionist here. Brittany is within french border following some events you visibly don't know at all, and stating Brittany != France is purely anti republican but you don't know that either.

                  Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
                  No. We are monitoring what is happening and react accordingly
                  You do it badly then, it seems having an example of what doesn't work at all isn't really informative for Polish since they are making the same mistakes.

                  Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
                  How convenient You didn't anwer my question why not declaring independence then? You're afraid you might get your ass kicked like Catalonians recently ?
                  Convenient of nothing, on the contrary it's unconvenient. Declaring independence would lead to nowhere without leaving EU but you also don't know that it seems, as you don't know that you don't get any independence with hippies druged with propaganda all the day.
                  As for having Bretons in Brittany, just go there and ask how many are from Paris, Algeria, Morocco or any part of the world and you will see.

                  Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
                  Yes you did.

                  US never had monarchism, their battle was just to break colonial bonds nothing else..
                  Again you show you didn't even checked a bit about history before saying such insanity, USA didn't blob from nowhere and Democracy was on its way in any case, Louis XVI already started to slowly switching from monarchy to constitutional monarchy.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post

                    There is no such thing as "universal principles", that's just one of elements of leftist nonsense.
                    You are acting exactly like a "leftist" but instead of "nazi" or "fascist", you use "leftist" to label someone or something you disagree with, what a shame.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
                      Yep, sure it's not as good as a "It's like I said because DEUS VUUUULLLTTT"; not that sensationalist.
                      Of course it's not. Not to mention that you're unable to prove that by math

                      Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
                      There is no theory... It's a fact that communists want(ed) both of them, they call(ed) that proletarians and they want(ed) all of them, Mao got power with peasantry.
                      Chinese? lol I'm talking about Poland

                      Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
                      You had, socialism is only wider than communism, you had it in form of social democracy and Polish even elected a president from this party.
                      OMG, but that was after 1989

                      Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
                      Poland had been in both Societ and Nazis borders, you are being revisionist here.
                      Please read once again what I wrote: Poland was not in Soviet borders during Soviet times

                      Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
                      Brittany is within french border following some events you visibly don't know at all, and stating Brittany != France is purely anti republican but you don't know that either.
                      Still within French borders, no need to get butthurt about that

                      Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
                      You do it badly then, it seems having an example of what doesn't work at all isn't really informative for Polish since they are making the same mistakes.
                      Lol. We kicked out our leftists you didn't. So who's making the same mistakes

                      Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
                      Convenient of nothing, on the contrary it's unconvenient. Declaring independence would lead to nowhere without leaving EU
                      Why is that? Catalonians seem to disagree with you

                      Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
                      but you also don't know that it seems, as you don't know that you don't get any independence with hippies druged with propaganda all the day.
                      No need to get butthurt that none of your neighbours supports your views

                      Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
                      As for having Bretons in Brittany, just go there and ask how many are from Paris, Algeria, Morocco or any part of the world and you will see.
                      I'm not going anywhere. In France I've only been to Paris and Cote d'Azur. What's intresting to see in Brittany?

                      Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
                      Again you show you didn't even checked a bit about history before saying such insanity, USA didn't blob from nowhere
                      So who was the first king of US?

                      Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post
                      and Democracy was on its way in any case, Louis XVI already started to slowly switching from monarchy to constitutional monarchy.
                      It's the one that got beheaded by the French people?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post

                        Of course there's no freedom of speech in the west These countries introduced leftism, which is simply marxism in disguise. And commies as we know, want to create the world of common happiness where no one feels excluded

                        In Poland, freedom of speech is restricted by defamation laws - both of an individual or the whole Polish nation. Also you cannot deny communist crimes and nazi crimes including but not restricted to Holocaust

                        I don't think it's a lefty thing, as Singapore doesn't have freedom of speech but almost everyone would call Singapore a right wing country.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post

                          France and UK at least are very bad example of "freedom of speech", in France you get jailed for negationism, in UK you can't say anything about pakistaniis rapist gangs or you go to jails... And yes, this guy teaching sieg heil to his dog as a joke got his life ruined and had a lot of problem with justice.

                          Ps : You claims US is good for freedom of speech, yet you censor yourself saying nazi and I don't remember any americans saying nigga/nigger. Oh, didn't ou have a story about removing some statues as well and pople fighting against were labeled as racists ?
                          I just didn't want to get an of ya'll in trouble, or get myself in trouble if I ever visit or move to these countries. If I wasn't planning on leaving the US I would say away.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post

                            You are acting exactly like a "leftist" but instead of "nazi" or "fascist", you use "leftist" to label someone or something you disagree with, what a shame.
                            No. "Universal values" is exactly a concept forced by the left. It started from "universal human rights" and now their universal catalogue includes e.g. a right to abortion

                            Or this
                            https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/gay-...d-55158682.jpg

                            Or hundreds of other examples

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by _loki View Post

                              its not so great in the US. people get fired for saying something people dont like. people get suspended from school for saying things.

                              You're right, things aren't perfect here, but still I could go around saying pretty much anything I want and not fear for my safety because of the state.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post

                                No. There is more than one sense to this. Americans have absolute freedom of speech. In Poland freedom of speech is understood as the right to say whatever you wish as long as you do not violate rights of others.

                                If offending someone is violating the rights of others then you have just violated my rights, now lock yourself up for a few years.

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