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  • 2018 U.S. Midterms | Democrats Take House while GOP Keep Senate

    Currently, it appears that Democrats have taken the House of Representatives (and may begin impeachment proceedings), while the GOP has kept the Senate from the Blue Wave. What d'yall think about it?

  • #2
    Blue wave?! There was no blue wave. I was surprised that the Republicans did so well. Administrations usually lose both the House and Senate at mid-terms.

    I'm not a fan of President Trump although I do like some of what he's done, especially in terms of national security and foreign affairs. I doubt you'll see a move to impeach the President but the House certainly won't make the next two years easy for him. Let's just hope Trump won't run for a second term.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by RogerCarmel View Post
      Blue wave?! There was no blue wave. I was surprised that the Republicans did so well. Administrations usually lose both the House and Senate at mid-terms.

      I'm not a fan of President Trump although I do like some of what he's done, especially in terms of national security and foreign affairs. I doubt you'll see a move to impeach the President but the House certainly won't make the next two years easy for him. Let's just hope Trump won't run for a second term.

      I would definitely say there was a blue wave in terms of the House and Governors - in fact, according to this link (https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.67d3ae0c357f), this wave was bigger than any other in recent history, reaching 9%.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Kalion_Enoch View Post

        I would definitely say there was a blue wave in terms of the House and Governors - in fact, according to this link (https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.67d3ae0c357f), this wave was bigger than any other in recent history, reaching 9%.
        That’s a wave?! It’s not significant but if you find it encouraging, that’s OK. What was most surprising to me was that Americans didn’t send a very strong message considering all the anti-Trump feeling in the USA.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by RogerCarmel View Post

          That’s a wave?! It’s not significant but if you find it encouraging, that’s OK. What was most surprising to me was that Americans didn’t send a very strong message considering all the anti-Trump feeling in the USA.

          I would say that "anti-Trump feeling" isn't actually there - however, the country is highly polarized, and since as a result everything has been politicized, any allegations have all been thrown into a sea of uncertainty, whatever they are.

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          • #6
            Per my impression about 50% of the US absolutely hates Trump, 40% are his supporters, and there are some who just don't care.

            It's long since been a disappointment that so close to half the people actually support Trump and what he does. I personally can't endorse anything he has said or done as positive. Some of what he did was meaningless; that represented his best work.

            Developments like a tax cut for the wealthy (which escalated national debt), starting a trade war, pulling out of climate change resolution support, and opening the environment for destruction by eliminating pollution controls and dismantling the EPA were all completely negative.

            Probably the best-case for the US government is to all but shut down for the next two years and try to do better with a new administration and revised Senate then. The US is completely screwed either way; the effects of making so many bad decisions won't take two more years to come to fruition.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by john_in_bkk View Post
              Per my impression about 50% of the US absolutely hates Trump, 40% are his supporters, and there are some who just don't care.

              It's long since been a disappointment that so close to half the people actually support Trump and what he does. I personally can't endorse anything he has said or done as positive. Some of what he did was meaningless; that represented his best work.

              Developments like a tax cut for the wealthy (which escalated national debt), starting a trade war, pulling out of climate change resolution support, and opening the environment for destruction by eliminating pollution controls and dismantling the EPA were all completely negative.

              Probably the best-case for the US government is to all but shut down for the next two years and try to do better with a new administration and revised Senate then. The US is completely screwed either way; the effects of making so many bad decisions won't take two more years to come to fruition.
              From my point of view for at least the last 20 years America has been trying to buy friends by doing strip America trade deals and it has got you nothing and nowhere Europeans still look down on you while you defend them and they put their money into non military projects....
              You signed on for clean air etc > china has a deferment ? Germany closes down nuke power plants and replaces the electricity by burning brown coal....
              Tax cuts for the wealthy,,,Hmmmm how many billions of America foreign profits have been repatriated and invested in American projects...Where are all the new jobs coming from ? jobs with a paypacket..How much are you saving on foodstamps ??
              I think trump is about making America as independent as is possible notice how quickly he moved on energy,tarriffs against steel,,nafta renegotiated..Why were Canadian farmers permitted to screw your farmers ?It doesn't make sense unless you want to be seen as the "nice guy " on the backs of your own farmers..
              All this bru ha ha about college degrees voting democrat ,,,it might very well be correct but how many of those degrees especially in liberal arts have found jobs since graduation ???Can congress "wipe off" student debt which is about a zillion dollars and growing hand over fist...This amounts to totally free education,,,for "which " strata of the population..America is being dragged into socialism..Obamacare was a move towards socialized medicine like in Britain,,,look what is happening to the British " national health " it is rapidly falling apart...
              We could talk about this until the cows come home..
              God bless America and thankyou god for not making me an American....

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Elishar View Post
                From my point of view for at least the last 20 years America has been trying to buy friends by doing strip America trade deals and it has got you nothing and nowhere Europeans still look down on you while you defend them and they put their money into non military projects.....
                agree
                The US should draw back its bases in Europe (50 000 soldiers alone in Germany until today). They will save quite a lot of money and Europe will get self-responsible and stop looking down on the US for making their hands dirty and will be forced to invest money in military projects itself. It is really high time for that.

                Originally posted by Elishar View Post
                You signed on for clean air etc > china has a deferment ? Germany closes down nuke power plants and replaces the electricity by burning brown coal.....
                we don't build brown coal power plants.....we "only" postponed to shut them down, because Germans decided they rather burn brown coal than produce radioactive waste nobody wants to have in the neighbourhood. However, a German citizen still pollutes the air much less than an American citizen on average.

                Originally posted by Elishar View Post
                Tax cuts for the wealthy,,,Hmmmm how many billions of America foreign profits have been repatriated and invested in American projects...Where are all the new jobs coming from ? jobs with a paypacket..How much are you saving on foodstamps ??
                I don't understand. Nowhere in the world the wealthy pay so less tax like in the US.

                Originally posted by Elishar View Post
                I think trump is about making America as independent as is possible notice how quickly he moved on energy,tarriffs against steel,,nafta renegotiated..Why were Canadian farmers permitted to screw your farmers ?It doesn't make sense unless you want to be seen as the "nice guy " on the backs of your own farmers.
                yep - thats good for the US....as far as they can handle the answer and are ready to pay more tarriffs in the other direction themselves as well.

                Originally posted by Elishar View Post
                All this bru ha ha about college degrees voting democrat ,,,it might very well be correct but how many of those degrees especially in liberal arts have found jobs since graduation ???Can congress "wipe off" student debt which is about a zillion dollars and growing hand over fist...This amounts to totally free education,,,for "which " strata of the population..America is being dragged into socialism..Obamacare was a move towards socialized medicine like in Britain,,,look what is happening to the British " national health " it is rapidly falling apart...
                We could talk about this until the cows come home..
                nowhere in the world it is so expensive to study like in the US. It is completely insane. The government should regulate it more, control the quality and support it financially better. They should restrict studies the country doesn't need and problem solved in both directions. Less useless degrees, less people in high debts. Whole Europe is way more socialist than the US. Especially the education and health systems are. The Britishs have problems with their health system, but other European countries don't.

                Compare it to Israel. Studying doesn't bring debts in the amount of a house, childcare doesn't cost you the income of one full-time working parent, right?
                And I bet the health care system also works with solidarity and not who has the most money gets best and first treatment?
                The US is far away from being dragged into socialism. ALL other Western countries are by far more socialist on almost all levels.

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                • #9
                  Like our ex president Wałęsa said "You have the president that you deserve"
                  Starting economical conflict with China, shortening of taxes for the rich, renouncing of climate change agreements, harder immigration laws.... etc. was just a part of program that had to be realized, no matter which useful idiot sits in the President chair.
                  Trump fitted just better than Hillary for those tasks, that's all.

                  Balance of power and blue, red waves are just another fairy tales for people who still believe in democracy. It's doesn't matter what you chose, it's matters that you have chosen because it shows that you have still motivation to hunt the rabbit.
                  Running after rabbit is the goal not to catch him.

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                  • #10
                    There was no blue wave.

                    The Presidents party always looses the house in the midterms elections. The question is by how much. The Democrats swore since inauguration day that a blue wave would swept the Republicans out of power and usher in a democratic government because the American people never actually supported Trump to start with. That did not happen

                    In fact the the Democrats actually underpreformed with only winning 34 seats. They only have 10 seats beyond the 218 that is the midway point. That does not constitute a sweeping change in government. In addition to that the Republicans picked up there majority in the Senate. And still hold the majority of governorships and state legislatures across the country. Plus we defeated 3 would be democratic candidates for president in 2020.

                    As far as it being the biggest wave in recent history that's simply not true. In 2010 the Republicans had a true red wave, takeing 64 seats in the house (twice what the dems won in 2018) and picked up 7 seats in the Senate. That constitutes a wave election, Obama also had lower approval ratings at that point in his presidency than trump did in his first round of midterms.

                    Point is the Democrats sold the blue wave as a repudiation of Trump. That the American people would sweep his party out of office and seize back washington and impeach Trump. That didnt happen people seemed okay with Trunp at least to the point that the election results mirrored common results from other presidents. The country either likes him or at least accepts that he is the president.

                    The Democrats also dont have the power to impeach trump. They can start an impeachment process and ot will then go to.the Senate who will then shred it upon arrival and Trump will use the shredded paper.as confeddii at his reelection party.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ameriguy99 View Post
                      There was no blue wave...

                      The Democrats also dont have the power to impeach trump. They can start an impeachment process and ot will then go to.the Senate who will then shred it upon arrival and Trump will use the shredded paper.as confeddii at his reelection party.
                      You’re right: there was no blue wave. My guess is that Democrats call the results a “blue wave” in an effort to console themselves. And starting an impeachment process would be political suicide for the Democrats.

                      So we have two more years of the Trump presidency. I intend to continue enjoying the show...!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RogerCarmel View Post

                        You’re right: there was no blue wave. My guess is that Democrats call the results a “blue wave” in an effort to console themselves. And starting an impeachment process would be political suicide for the Democrats.

                        So we have two more years of the Trump presidency. I intend to continue enjoying the show...!

                        Suddenly springs to mind the story of the frog carrying the scorpion across the stream and getting stung halfway across,,,BOTH died...
                        I never laughed at the preppies , just their weak reasons for prepping,,.A Sustained power outage in new York would cause an attempted evacuation to wherever there is drinkable water and Rural America begins to look more like where the survivors will come from...
                        " No of Course it couldn't happen "..All the kings horses and all the kings men....

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Elishar View Post

                          Suddenly springs to mind the story of the frog carrying the scorpion across the stream and getting stung halfway across,,,BOTH died....
                          I don’t think the Democrat Scorpion will sting the Republican Frog.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RogerCarmel View Post

                            I don’t think the Democrat Scorpion will sting the Republican Frog.
                            That remains to be seen...

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