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  • Happy birthday Jesus?

    ....tomorrow (or any other date which is appropriate in your culture/religion).

    If Jesus plays any role in your culture or religion, what does Jesus mean for you?
    In dir muß brennen, was du in anderen entzünden willst. What you wish to kindle in others must burn within yourself. [Aurelius]

  • #2
    real birthday is 7 dec
    on other days celebrate Christmas only catholics and other barbarians

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    • #3
      Originally posted by KLIM_CHUGUNKIN View Post
      real birthday is 7 dec
      on other days celebrate Christmas only catholics and other barbarians
      I guess that Russians are also barbarians given that they celebrate Christmas on January 7th

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Suna123 View Post
        ....tomorrow (or any other date which is appropriate in your culture/religion).

        If Jesus plays any role in your culture or religion, what does Jesus mean for you?
        Of course he does
        Jesus Christ is the Lord and the Savior
        and also The King of Poland since his enthroning in 2016
        http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/...20100803203515

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        • #5
          Atheists who celebrate Christmas are the very definition of hypocrite and/or opportunist...

          Hypocrite: one who pretends to be what he is not or to have principles or beliefs which he does not adhere to.

          Opportunist: one who takes advantage of opportunities with little regard for principles or ultimate consequences.

          ...as they say, if the shoe fits, Cinderella...






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          • #6
            Originally posted by RogerCarmel View Post
            Atheists who celebrate Christmas are the very definition of hypocrite and/or opportunist...
            Really? Atheists celebrating something that is essentially a Pagan festival... drinking, partying... family get together... any excuse I guess to have a good time - just like the Pagans used to do. I don't see too much hypocrisy or opportunism there...

            I suspect however that celebrating the birth of a fictional Jesus on the 25th of December (or the 7th of January for that matter) is the height of opportunism and hypocrisy - plagiarising many of the elements of pagan festivals and rather hypocritical doing all those polytheist things

            Originally posted by RogerCarmel View Post
            Hypocrite: one who pretends to be what he is not or to have principles or beliefs which he does not adhere to.

            Opportunist: one who takes advantage of opportunities with little regard for principles or ultimate consequences.
            Well, yes... interesting definitions...

            Originally posted by RogerCarmel View Post
            ...as they say, if the shoe fits, Cinderella...

            Cinderella, one of those fairytales that should be on the library's fiction section shelves right next to "Bible".

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            • #7
              Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post

              Of course he does
              Jesus Christ is the Lord and the Savior
              and also The King of Poland since his enthroning in 2016
              Nice. maybe he can compete for the HRE throne too, then whole of Europe can be run by the Corpse emperor
              Why is it called a tourist season if we're not supposed to hunt them?

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              • #8
                guys really - the topic is there to discuss the meaning of Jesus.

                It is completely not important when or if he was born or if he was the lord, savior, prophet, fictive or king of poland. Whatever name you want to call him - be free in that. It also does not play a role if, when or how you celebrate christmas.

                But what is the meaning in particular? What does Jesus stand for?
                In dir muß brennen, was du in anderen entzünden willst. What you wish to kindle in others must burn within yourself. [Aurelius]

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Suna123 View Post
                  guys really - the topic is there to discuss the meaning of Jesus.

                  It is completely not important when or if he was born or if he was the lord, savior, prophet, fictive or king of poland. Whatever name you want to call him - be free in that. It also does not play a role if, when or how you celebrate christmas.

                  But what is the meaning in particular? What does Jesus stand for?
                  But how do you want to divide these things? Jesus has a lot of to do with Christmas, because Christmas celebrate his birth.
                  And Jesus is the Lord. God. That is what he means to me. Not sure what other answer you expect
                  http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/...20100803203515

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by aussieinbg View Post



                    Well, yes... interesting definitions...
                    Those are straight from my Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Einstein.

                    And an atheist who celebrates a pagan festival - like Diwali for example - is still a hypocrite and and opportunist.



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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post
                      But how do you want to divide these things? Jesus has a lot of to do with Christmas, because Christmas celebrate his birth.
                      And Jesus is the Lord. God. That is what he means to me. Not sure what other answer you expect
                      Actually Christmas was not celebrated during the first couple of hundred years of Christianity.
                      Is something left from Jesus as a human when you strip off the fact that he was God in your believe? Would something remain from him as a simple human?
                      Last edited by Suna123; 12-24-2017, 07:52 AM.
                      In dir muß brennen, was du in anderen entzünden willst. What you wish to kindle in others must burn within yourself. [Aurelius]

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RogerCarmel View Post
                        ...as they say, if the shoe fits, Cinderella...
                        give me a knife, I can make it fit

                        Originally posted by RogerCarmel View Post
                        And an atheist who celebrates a pagan festival - like Diwali for example - is still a hypocrite and and opportunist.
                        that would be a nice topic to discuss I think. However, it is not the topic here.


                        In dir muß brennen, was du in anderen entzünden willst. What you wish to kindle in others must burn within yourself. [Aurelius]

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                        • #13
                          Oh!! It's THAT Jesus you are on about!! I thought you meant the one who used to play for Brazil!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Suna123 View Post

                            Actually Christmas was not celebrated during the first couple of hundred years of Christianity.
                            Is something left from Jesus as a human when you strip off the fact that he was God in your believe? Would something remain from him as a simple human?
                            So what it wasn't celebrated, in my faith Church has discretion of establishing celebrations.

                            Jesus as human? Hmm, Jesus, lived about 30 years, dies young. Son of Mary, father unknown. Charismatic, highly intelligent, kept telling he was the king of Jews. Imprisoned and killed by Romans to prevent the risk of rebellion, died on a cross, which in ancient Rome was a penalty for political crimes.
                            http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/...20100803203515

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RogerCarmel View Post
                              Those are straight from my Webster's Third New International Dictionary,
                              Perhaps you might want to try alternative sources such as Oxford or Cambridge to acquire a better understanding of the word, given that you on the face of it have not comprehended them very well:

                              https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...lish/hypocrite

                              https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...sh/opportunist

                              as we will see later...

                              Originally posted by RogerCarmel View Post
                              Einstein.
                              Name dropping again...

                              Originally posted by RogerCarmel View Post
                              And an atheist who celebrates a pagan festival - like Diwali for example - is still a hypocrite and and opportunist.
                              Why? Strip out the religious bullshit excuses for celebrating and party time reverts to a good get together. A primary advantage/disadvantage (depends on your viewpoint here) between Christmas and Diwali is that Diwali isn't usually celebrated with alcohol.

                              You don't have Atheists going around saying that "they are Hindus for a day"

                              Seems just like Atheists celebrating the winter solstice rebranded as "Christmas".

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice

                              In another thread, we see that all the stuff about December 25th and Jesus' birthday is rubbish no matter which way you look at it:

                              http://forum.interpals.net/forum/int...ictitious-crap

                              Once you take out the multilayered rubbish about baby Jesus and you end up with a family / friends gathering. Now what is hypocrisy and opportunism here is Christians taking a Pagan festival and spinning bullshit about baby Jesus and virgin births. The hypocrisy is Christians celebrating a pagan festival and the opportunism is hijacking a Pagan festival for Christian celebration purposes.

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