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  • #16
    Originally posted by Patafix View Post

    Well I'm past the full worship status but they're still calling me every other day. So there's hope for the church.

    As for dogs, there are also people treating their dog as a god - after all the two words use the same letters... Wait, did I just uncover the biggest mystery ever ? Is god a dog ? (I knew my old dog Zieg was a chosen one, you just feel those things).
    Dddddd

    Leave this kind of nonsense anymore

    If you can not see the truth, maybe you guys are blind
    Last edited by Tomm96; 01-15-2018, 11:16 PM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Tomm96 View Post

      Dddddd

      Leave this kind of nonsense anymore

      If you can not see the truth, maybe you guys are blind
      I admit that I'm spiritually blind and can't see the truth.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Tomm96 View Post

        Dddddd

        Leave this kind of nonsense anymore

        If you can not see the truth, maybe you guys are blind
        Not blind, but I confess I'm long-sighted

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Tomm96 View Post

          Dddddd

          Leave this kind of nonsense anymore

          If you can not see the truth, maybe you guys are blind
          Cut the religious crap. This topic is about cults.


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          • #20
            I think religion is some type of cult too. You venerate someone or some existence, you have rituals, initiation rituals for members, etc.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Han1977 View Post
              I think religion is some type of cult too. You venerate someone or some existence, you have rituals, initiation rituals for members, etc.

              No. You are confusing a cult with the cult.

              A cult is an aberrant form of a faith or a spurious religion. The OP gave the example of Scientology, and I gave the example of Raëlism. These are both cults, as are Christian Science, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormonism. In the case of Scientology and Raëlism, these are spurious religions within atheism. Other atheistic religions are not considered cults, such as Taoism, Buddhism, Jainism and so on. In the case of Christian Science, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormonism, these are cults because they are counterfeit Christianity, or an aberrant form of Christianity.

              There are also aberrant forms of Islam. Black Islam is the most notable example.

              The cult is the institutionalized form of worship within a religion. In other words, the acts of worship a particular religion recognizes as acceptable towards its deity or beliefs (if the religion is atheist.)

              Now you know.

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              • #22
                Scientology? Years ago, I discovered Hubbard had exploited psychology of the day (mid 1950's). But that kind of thinking can be provocative because it's 'white coat and clip board' lacks rigor and never moved forward from that point.

                Consequently modern-day journalists who studied social psychology can find Scientology quite absurd and want to challenge their creed/tenets.

                In this videoclip, a renowned TV documentary maker (Mr Sweeney) engages in a laughable shouting match with a Scientologist (enjoy!)

                See TV journalist 'lose it' at 10:09
                Last edited by look4swissmiss; 01-17-2018, 04:28 PM.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by RogerCarmel View Post


                  No. You are confusing a cult with the cult.

                  A cult is an aberrant form of a faith or a spurious religion. The OP gave the example of Scientology, and I gave the example of Raëlism. These are both cults, as are Christian Science, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormonism. In the case of Scientology and Raëlism, these are spurious religions within atheism. Other atheistic religions are not considered cults, such as Taoism, Buddhism, Jainism and so on. In the case of Christian Science, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormonism, these are cults because they are counterfeit Christianity, or an aberrant form of Christianity.

                  There are also aberrant forms of Islam. Black Islam is the most notable example.

                  The cult is the institutionalized form of worship within a religion. In other words, the acts of worship a particular religion recognizes as acceptable towards its deity or beliefs (if the religion is atheist.)

                  Now you know.

                  Uhm... but... wouldn't that means that Christianity an aberrant form of a faith (Judaism) is a cult. Islam as an aberrant form of faith (Christianity) is a cult.

                  We could also say that Buddhism is an aberrant form of Hinduism.

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                  • #24
                    In the picture there is only the gate, but no fence.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Han1977 View Post

                      Uhm... but... wouldn't that means that Christianity an aberrant form of a faith (Judaism) is a cult. Islam as an aberrant form of faith (Christianity) is a cult.

                      We could also say that Buddhism is an aberrant form of Hinduism.
                      No, and for a variety of reasons none of which has anything to do with this discussion.

                      The concept of the cult is fairly recent, being barely 200 years old (and I’m being generous!)

                      In the case of aberrant Christianity, these religions are considered cults only by those who know what defines Christianity. The average guy on the street thinks the Witnesses, Christian Scientists and Mormons are forms of Christianity, as do the members themselves of these religions.

                      Essentially, a cult is a group of people that gravitate around a charismatic personality or an attractive idea. There is usually an element of craziness when seen from the outside. There is always a religious aspect although there may or may not be a deity associated with the cult. Once a cult becomes mainstream (Mormonism, for example) it ceases to be considered a cult by the general population.

                      I suggest you look up the dictionary definition of «*cult*» .

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by RogerCarmel View Post

                        Essentially, a cult is a group of people that gravitate around a charismatic personality or an attractive idea. There is usually an element of craziness when seen from the outside. There is always a religious aspect although there may or may not be a deity associated with the cult. Once a cult becomes mainstream (Mormonism, for example) it ceases to be considered a cult by the general population.
                        1. An aberrant form of faith. -> Christianity an aberrant form of Judaism. Islam an aberrant form of Christianity. <checked>

                        2. Gravitate around a charismatic personality -> Jesus, Mohammed <checked>

                        3. Or attractive idea -> eternal life, 72 virgins and an after life orgy <checked>

                        4. An element of craziness when seen from the outside. -> heh... do I need to make the top 10 ten list? <checked>

                        I suggest you look up the dictionary definition of «*cult*» .

                        I hope you realize about what I've been doing. Okay, my apology, I'm one of the most productive lame joke writer in the world.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Han1977 View Post

                          1. An aberrant form of faith. -> Christianity an aberrant form of Judaism. Islam an aberrant form of Christianity.

                          2. Gravitate around a charismatic personality -> Jesus, Mohammed

                          3. Or attractive idea -> eternal life, 72 virgins and an after life orgy

                          4. An element of craziness when seen from the outside. -> heh... do I need to make the top 10 ten list?



                          I hope you realize about what I've been doing. Okay, my apology, I'm one of the most productive lame joke writer in the world.
                          Your point #1 is false, as is #2. OK...you’re joking. But some flunkie is likely to take you seriously!

                          Now do the exercise with a cult. Try an easy one...

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                          • #28
                            Well, about some people, etc. In my opinion everyone have their own brain and they're entitled of using it to make their own opinions. If you can't read something and make up your own opinion about it, then if it isn't me, then there will be lots of people out there who will mess with their mind.

                            Someone who might actually want to mess with their head and taking advantage out of it.

                            In fact I think, these people are doomed to be used/taken advantage by tons of con man who seems to be every where these days.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Han1977 View Post
                              ... to be every where these days.
                              ... to be every where these big money.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Han1977 View Post

                                Uhm... but... wouldn't that means that Christianity an aberrant form of a faith (Judaism) is a cult. Islam as an aberrant form of faith (Christianity) is a cult.

                                We could also say that Buddhism is an aberrant form of Hinduism.
                                Buddhism is a way-of-life, not a religion. Could never get my head around why she wanted me to lie inside a coffin to unveil me for a fresh start. If Buddhism was a religion she'd have wanted to nail down the lid and incinerate me. 30+ years later, I'm still waiting to find that out!

                                Turning to Hinduism, Historically, a British Colonial (Lord Balfour?) was once heard to ask why 200,000 million people believed in Gods 30 feet high who lived for 32,000 years?

                                Previously I knew a girl who planned to marry a Mormon from Utah. She invited me to her total immersion baptism. What colour undies should she wear, she asked? [cont'd on page 94
                                Last edited by look4swissmiss; 01-20-2018, 08:01 PM.

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