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    i am selfish. i only care about myself. it makes me feel better, about life and the world. i just want to be left alone sometimes. anyway, i am curious about people's thoughts regarding egoism? should i pretend not be be, or is this socially acceptable?

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    But I think everyone is egoist. It's always been the engine for any progress.

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    • #3
      i agree, but i think there is an anti egoist ideal. if you admit it, you are a bad person or something. i remember in my ethics class, an article discussed capitalism and altruism as being egoist. at the time, i had a negative feeling toward egoism

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      • #4
        Originally posted by _loki View Post
        i agree, but i think there is an anti egoist ideal. if you admit it, you are a bad person or something. i remember in my ethics class, an article discussed capitalism and altruism as being egoist. at the time, i had a negative feeling toward egoism
        Capitalism as being egoist? But what is wrong with that? All the people who have pushed the development of civilization during the course of history were obvious egoists.
        You should have aksed in your ethics class what altertative do they have for capitalism. Because I'm afraid you would hear socialism

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        • #5
          "Ego is Not a Dirty Word" - Skyhooks.





          and the words...

          https://genius.com/Skyhooks-ego-is-n...ty-word-lyrics


          If I did not have an ego I would not be here tonight
          If I did not have an ego I might not think that I was right
          If you did not have an ego you might not care the way you dressed
          If you did not have an ego you'd just be like the rest

          Chorus
          Ego is not a dirty word
          Ego is not a dirty word
          Ego is not a dirty word
          Don't you believe what you've seen or heard

          If Jesus had an ego he'd still be alive today
          And if Nixon had no ego he might not be in decay
          If you did not have an ego you might not care too much who won
          If I did not have an ego I might just use a gun

          Chorus

          Some people keep their egos in a bottom drawer
          A fridge full of Leonard Cohen
          Have to get drunk just to walk out the door
          Stay drunk to keep on goin'
          So if you got an ego
          You better keep it in good shape
          Exercise it daily
          And get it down on tape

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          • #6
            Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post

            Capitalism as being egoist? But what is wrong with that? All the people who have pushed the development of civilization during the course of history were obvious egoists.
            You should have aksed in your ethics class what altertative do they have for capitalism. Because I'm afraid you would hear socialism
            i believe there is nothing wrong with capitalism. the article written by the ethicist disagreed.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by _loki View Post
              i agree, but i think there is an anti egoist ideal. if you admit it, you are a bad person or something. i remember in my ethics class, an article discussed capitalism and altruism as being egoist. at the time, i had a negative feeling toward egoism
              There’s nothing wrong with egoism. “Above all, to thine own self be true” is a good maxim to follow.

              As for those who criticize capitalism, you may remind them that the most generous and altruistic nations are those that have the freest market economies.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by _loki View Post

                i believe there is nothing wrong with capitalism. the article written by the ethicist disagreed.
                You should pick up a copy of “The Virtue of Selfishness” by Ayn Rand. While you’re at it, read “Capitalism, The Unknown Ideal” by the same author.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RogerCarmel View Post

                  There’s nothing wrong with egoism. “Above all, to thine own self be true” is a good maxim to follow.

                  As for those who criticize capitalism, you may remind them that the most generous and altruistic nations are those that have the freest market economies.

                  as a fellow north american, do you have any insight why i had a negative impression towards egoism in the past? i dont know the reasons for why i felt so, or anythign about my socialization that would contribute to such an impression

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RogerCarmel View Post

                    You should pick up a copy of “The Virtue of Selfishness” by Ayn Rand. While you’re at it, read “Capitalism, The Unknown Ideal” by the same author.

                    “The Virtue of Selfishness” by Ayn Rand is very high on my reading list, but i tend to read textbooks (practical things like computer science etc).

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by _loki View Post

                      as a fellow north american, do you have any insight why i had a negative impression towards egoism in the past? i dont know the reasons for why i felt so, or anythign about my socialization that would contribute to such an impression
                      Insight as to why egotism is seen in a negative light? Yes...as a group we tend to be followers, to think like the majority, to follow the heard and so on. The egotist goes his own way, acts according to his ethics (which may or may not be thought out) and so on. In the past, religions denounced egotism but today, group-think ideology plays the same role as religion did in the past.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RogerCarmel View Post

                        Insight as to why egotism is seen in a negative light? Yes...as a group we tend to be followers, to think like the majority, to follow the heard and so on. The egotist goes his own way, acts according to his ethics (which may or may not be thought out) and so on. In the past, religions denounced egotism but today, group-think ideology plays the same role as religion did in the past.

                        hmm. not egotist btw. egoist. its different. i was reading about jesus preaching altruism, so i can understand an judeo-christian perspective that being an anti christ is wrong. but this is one area about christianity i disagree with

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by _loki View Post

                          hmm. not egotist btw. egoist. its different. i was reading about jesus preaching altruism, so i can understand an judeo-christian perspective that being an anti christ is wrong. but this is one area about christianity i disagree with
                          Yes, you’re right: The correct word is egoist, not egotist.

                          No, you’re wrong: Jesus never preached altruism. Never, ever! Some forms of atheism preach altruism as a way to improve society. Various religions preach altruism as a way of buying your way into heaven, or to escape hell, or to have a better reincarnation...or whatever mumble jumbo they happen to be promoting. Jesus reserved his harshest criticism for the religious leaders of the day.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RogerCarmel View Post

                            Yes, you’re right: The correct word is egoist, not egotist.

                            No, you’re wrong: Jesus never preached altruism. Never, ever! Some forms of atheism preach altruism as a way to improve society. Various religions preach altruism as a way of buying your way into heaven, or to escape hell, or to have a better reincarnation...or whatever mumble jumbo they happen to be promoting. Jesus reserved his harshest criticism for the religious leaders of the day.

                            if not jesus, then someone else? i thought altruism / selflessness was a ideal value (and perhaps tenet) of christianity. christians seems to act so high and mighty towards athiests becuase they are "charitable."

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                            • #15
                              I don't see the point about egoism and the need to be alone...

                              As for egoism, it's not bad to be, but there are some extremes that should not be reached and I think that's the point with your sentence mixing egoism and capitalism, when capitalism becomes insane, we have a right access to globalism.


                              Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post

                              Capitalism as being egoist? But what is wrong with that? All the people who have pushed the development of civilization during the course of history were obvious egoists.
                              You should have aksed in your ethics class what altertative do they have for capitalism. Because I'm afraid you would hear socialism
                              Soros is a notorious egoist.

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