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    If you asked any muslim in the world, does the Quran distort or no ? ? the answer totally would be : " No and would never, Allah saves it " but what Muslims don't know is that the Quran is distorted too. Muslims are really sure about the distortion of the other holy books...and they even do avoid to think about the possibility of that could be happened...unfortunately minds were chained because of such ideologies...
    What many people don't know about Quran is that there are many versions of Quran...Today i'm going to talk only about two versions that are well-known and the Islamic world...especially ( The Arabian Peninsula - North Africa ) these two versions are : warsh ' an Naafi ' and Hafs ' an Assim ' .
    Note : Arabic speakers who would understand that well, because they would get this well. but who are none-arabic speakers it would be hard for them to get it well, but they could text me later and it would be my pleasure to make it more clear to them as much as i can. because my english is not good enough.
    Most of those who know about these two versions, they only know or hear about the slight differences in these versions, and they think and say that differences don't change the meaning at all...
    Unfortunetely that's not true at all. What still makes me feel sorry for Muslims is that most of them don't read the quran or any religious books to get to know about their religion well. they just use the irish proverb if i still remember " A woman told me that a woman told her " lol....most of muslims if you ask them about an information where it came from, the anwser would be ( they say...)....
    So even if they do read, they read with a sacred way, with their emotions not with critical mind at all... i know that most of believers have fears to do so or they are conviced they have the absolute truth...
    anyhow, the differences are more bigger than what Muslims think, I'm going to give some examples only in arabic language, because i have no idea about the english version of Quran, but i would explain the main point in english to make it clear to none-arabic speakers.

    1 : Surah Az-Zukhruf - verse 19 at Hafs version :

    " And they have made the angels, who are servants of the Most Merciful, females. Did they witness their creation? Their testimony will be recorded, and they will be questioned "

    " وَجَعَلُوا الْمَلَائِكَةَ الَّذِينَ هُمْ (عِبَادُ ) الرَّحْمَٰنِ إِنَاثًا ۚ "

    The same Surah and the same version at Warsh version

    وجعلوا الملائكة الذين هم ( عِنْدَ) الرحمن إناثًا

    Even non-arabic speakers could notice the differences between the words parentheses in the write way...
    the first one : " Ibadoo " which means servants or worshipers or slaves. depends on the context.
    the second version the word " Inda " means at or with or something like that, it's preposition...
    so the differences are so fucking clear...but inspite of this, muslims who know about these differences keep saying that the meaning is just one and there's a wisdom here and only Allah who knows that and so on...As an arabic speaker, i know the difference well and i won't lie to myself, because the word bitch doesn't mean beach haha

    2 : Surah Al Jinn - Verse 20 at Hafs version :

    " Say, [O Muhammad], "I only invoke my Lord and do not associate with him anyone."

    " قُلْ ) إِنَّمَا أَدْعُو رَبِّي وَلَا أُشْرِكُ بِهِ أَحَدًا ) "
    the
    Warsh version :
    " قال ) إِنَّمَا أَدْعُو رَبِّي وَلَا أُشْرِكُ بِهِ أَحَدًا ) "

    there's a slight difference here as well, in the writing one letter is added, but the meaning is totally different.
    the first one is قُلْ which means say, it's an order.
    at the second version is قال which means He said.
    the differences are so clear here as well...

    3 : Surah Al Ahzab - verse 68 at Hafs version :

    " Our Lord, give them double the punishment and curse them with a great curse."

    " (رَبَّنا آتِهِمْ ضِعْفَيْنِ مِنَ الْعَذابِ وَالْعَنْهُمْ لَعْنًا (كَبِيرًا "

    at Warsh version :


    " (رَبَّنا آتِهِمْ ضِعْفَيْنِ مِنَ الْعَذابِ وَالْعَنْهُمْ لَعْنًا (كثيرا"
    this would be the last example. so you could see the differences here, katiran and kabiran, كَبِيرًا which means too big, and كثيرا means too much...

    I think the examples are so clear to all eyes and minds, and i think that the meanings are totally different, i don't know how muslims still arguing...

    " you have complete discretion "
    [INDENT=2] [/INDENT]

  • #2
    An excellent illustration of how the Quran even today exists in multiple versions and is not the thing "set in stone" that Muslims doing dawah forever tell you. Even the examples that you give us very much are the proof that the claims about the Quran being completely unchanging in "perfect" Arabic are nonsense - even enough to invalidate Islam completely without even getting into the massive contradictions and inaccuracies in the Quran and so on or even into the disgusting amoral character of Muhammad.

    One problem with the Quran, as you have illustrated, is that diacritic marks were missing for about 2 centuries before getting "standardised" - yet these things are hugely important in Arabic. Here's an example showing how a single word in Arabic can have 15 different variants depending on how you add the diacritic marks:

    https://blogs.transparent.com/arabic...but-neglected/

    Now, even without playing the diacritic game with Arabic, there is the very embarrassing problem with massive changes in the text during the first century of Islam. The real killer for the Quran is the Saana Manuscripts:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sana%CA%BDa_manuscript

    which shows how massively the Quran text has evolved during the 600s.

    Another one that is hugely amusing but very important is the inscriptions on Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem. I'm at times thinking that Islamists are trying so hard to troll the Israelis to rip down the Al Aqsa mosque in order to destroy this very embarrassing piece of evidence which demonstrates that key verses of the Quran were changing in the 600s.

    Also, you are probably being too hard on yourself about your English, it's fine What is far more important than an occasional grammatical mistake, at least in my opinion as a native English speaker, is that you have presented a highly rational and structured argument.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by aussieinbg View Post
      An excellent illustration of how the Quran even today exists in multiple versions and is not the thing "set in stone" that Muslims doing dawah forever tell you. Even the examples that you give us very much are the proof that the claims about the Quran being completely unchanging in "perfect" Arabic are nonsense - even enough to invalidate Islam completely without even getting into the massive contradictions and inaccuracies in the Quran and so on or even into the disgusting amoral character of Muhammad.

      One problem with the Quran, as you have illustrated, is that diacritic marks were missing for about 2 centuries before getting "standardised" - yet these things are hugely important in Arabic. Here's an example showing how a single word in Arabic can have 15 different variants depending on how you add the diacritic marks:

      https://blogs.transparent.com/arabic...but-neglected/

      Now, even without playing the diacritic game with Arabic, there is the very embarrassing problem with massive changes in the text during the first century of Islam. The real killer for the Quran is the Saana Manuscripts:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sana%CA%BDa_manuscript

      which shows how massively the Quran text has evolved during the 600s.

      Another one that is hugely amusing but very important is the inscriptions on Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem. I'm at times thinking that Islamists are trying so hard to troll the Israelis to rip down the Al Aqsa mosque in order to destroy this very embarrassing piece of evidence which demonstrates that key verses of the Quran were changing in the 600s.

      Also, you are probably being too hard on yourself about your English, it's fine What is far more important than an occasional grammatical mistake, at least in my opinion as a native English speaker, is that you have presented a highly rational and structured argument.
      You're quite right, I know about Saana manuscripts and so on....and I'm Arabic speaker too, I know the about the language quite enough. thanks a lot for your sharing.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Keine-namen View Post
        If you asked any muslim in the world, does the Quran distort or no ? ? the answer totally would be : " No and would never, Allah saves it " but what Muslims don't know is that the Quran is distorted too. Muslims are really sure about the distortion of the other holy books...and they even do avoid to think about the possibility of that could be happened...unfortunately minds were chained because of such ideologies...
        What many people don't know about Quran is that there are many versions of Quran...Today i'm going to talk only about two versions that are well-known and the Islamic world...especially ( The Arabian Peninsula - North Africa ) these two versions are : warsh ' an Naafi ' and Hafs ' an Assim ' .
        Note : Arabic speakers who would understand that well, because they would get this well. but who are none-arabic speakers it would be hard for them to get it well, but they could text me later and it would be my pleasure to make it more clear to them as much as i can. because my english is not good enough.
        Most of those who know about these two versions, they only know or hear about the slight differences in these versions, and they think and say that differences don't change the meaning at all...
        Unfortunetely that's not true at all. What still makes me feel sorry for Muslims is that most of them don't read the quran or any religious books to get to know about their religion well. they just use the irish proverb if i still remember " A woman told me that a woman told her " lol....most of muslims if you ask them about an information where it came from, the anwser would be ( they say...)....
        So even if they do read, they read with a sacred way, with their emotions not with critical mind at all... i know that most of believers have fears to do so or they are conviced they have the absolute truth...
        anyhow, the differences are more bigger than what Muslims think, I'm going to give some examples only in arabic language, because i have no idea about the english version of Quran, but i would explain the main point in english to make it clear to none-arabic speakers.

        1 : Surah Az-Zukhruf - verse 19 at Hafs version :

        " And they have made the angels, who are servants of the Most Merciful, females. Did they witness their creation? Their testimony will be recorded, and they will be questioned "

        " وَجَعَلُوا الْمَلَائِكَةَ الَّذِينَ هُمْ (عِبَادُ ) الرَّحْمَٰنِ إِنَاثًا ۚ "

        The same Surah and the same version at Warsh version

        وجعلوا الملائكة الذين هم ( عِنْدَ) الرحمن إناثًا

        Even non-arabic speakers could notice the differences between the words parentheses in the write way...
        the first one : " Ibadoo " which means servants or worshipers or slaves. depends on the context.
        the second version the word " Inda " means at or with or something like that, it's preposition...
        so the differences are so fucking clear...but inspite of this, muslims who know about these differences keep saying that the meaning is just one and there's a wisdom here and only Allah who knows that and so on...As an arabic speaker, i know the difference well and i won't lie to myself, because the word bitch doesn't mean beach haha

        2 : Surah Al Jinn - Verse 20 at Hafs version :

        " Say, [O Muhammad], "I only invoke my Lord and do not associate with him anyone."

        " قُلْ ) إِنَّمَا أَدْعُو رَبِّي وَلَا أُشْرِكُ بِهِ أَحَدًا ) "
        the
        Warsh version :
        " قال ) إِنَّمَا أَدْعُو رَبِّي وَلَا أُشْرِكُ بِهِ أَحَدًا ) "

        there's a slight difference here as well, in the writing one letter is added, but the meaning is totally different.
        the first one is قُلْ which means say, it's an order.
        at the second version is قال which means He said.
        the differences are so clear here as well...

        3 : Surah Al Ahzab - verse 68 at Hafs version :

        " Our Lord, give them double the punishment and curse them with a great curse."

        " (رَبَّنا آتِهِمْ ضِعْفَيْنِ مِنَ الْعَذابِ وَالْعَنْهُمْ لَعْنًا (كَبِيرًا "

        at Warsh version :


        " (رَبَّنا آتِهِمْ ضِعْفَيْنِ مِنَ الْعَذابِ وَالْعَنْهُمْ لَعْنًا (كثيرا"
        this would be the last example. so you could see the differences here, katiran and kabiran, كَبِيرًا which means too big, and كثيرا means too much...

        I think the examples are so clear to all eyes and minds, and i think that the meanings are totally different, i don't know how muslims still arguing...

        " you have complete discretion "
        [INDENT=2] [/INDENT]

        I guess your dream job is to be a pornstar in Brazzers and that's the only reason why your stars will never intersect with Islam because Islam gives importance to morality and I can say this is main reason why most people hate Islam

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        • #5
          Originally posted by CaymanWolvon View Post


          I guess your dream job is to be a pornstar in Brazzers and that's the only reason why your stars will never intersect with Islam because Islam gives importance to morality and I can say this is main reason why most people hate Islam

          Lol, says a guy that knows it all but probably can't speak a word of arabic

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          • #6
            Originally posted by aussieinbg View Post
            An excellent illustration of how the Quran even today exists in multiple versions and is not the thing "set in stone" that Muslims doing dawah forever tell you. Even the examples that you give us very much are the proof that the claims about the Quran being completely unchanging in "perfect" Arabic are nonsense - even enough to invalidate Islam completely without even getting into the massive contradictions and inaccuracies in the Quran and so on or even into the disgusting amoral character of Muhammad.

            One problem with the Quran, as you have illustrated, is that diacritic marks were missing for about 2 centuries before getting "standardised" - yet these things are hugely important in Arabic. Here's an example showing how a single word in Arabic can have 15 different variants depending on how you add the diacritic marks:

            https://blogs.transparent.com/arabic...but-neglected/

            Now, even without playing the diacritic game with Arabic, there is the very embarrassing problem with massive changes in the text during the first century of Islam. The real killer for the Quran is the Saana Manuscripts:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sana%CA%BDa_manuscript

            which shows how massively the Quran text has evolved during the 600s.

            Another one that is hugely amusing but very important is the inscriptions on Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem. I'm at times thinking that Islamists are trying so hard to troll the Israelis to rip down the Al Aqsa mosque in order to destroy this very embarrassing piece of evidence which demonstrates that key verses of the Quran were changing in the 600s.

            Also, you are probably being too hard on yourself about your English, it's fine What is far more important than an occasional grammatical mistake, at least in my opinion as a native English speaker, is that you have presented a highly rational and structured argument.
            Consider the flashes of miraculousness in its repetitions, which are imagined to be a fault: since the Qur'an is both a book of invocation, and a book of prayer, and a book of summons, the repetition in it is desirable, indeed, it is essential and most eloquent. It is not as the faulty imagine. For the mark of invocation is illumination through repetition. The mark of prayer is strengthening through repetition. The mark of command and summons is confirmation through repetition. Moreover, everyone is not capable of always reading the whole Qur'an, but is mostly able to read one Sura. Therefore, since the most important purposes of the Qur'an are included in most of the longer Suras, each is like a small Qur'an. That is to say, so that no one should be deprived, certain of its aims like Divine unity, the resurrection of the dead, and the story of Moses, have been repeated. Also, like bodily needs, spiritual needs are various. Man is need of some of them every breath; like the body needs air, the spirit needs the word Hu (He). Some he is in need of every hour, like "In the Name of God." And so on. That means the repetition of verses arises from the repetition of need. It makes the repetition in order to point out the need and awaken and incite it, and to arouse desire and appetite.
            Also, the Qur'an is a founder; it is the basis of the Clear Religion, and the foundation of the world of Islam. It changed human social life, and is the answer to the repeated questions of its various classes. Repetition is necessary for a founder in order to establish things. Repetition is necessary to corroborate them. Confirmation and repetition are necessary to strengthen them.
            Also, it speaks of such mighty matters and minute truths that numerous repetitions are necessary in different forms in order to establish them in everyone's hearts. Nevertheless, they are apparently repetitions, but in reality every verse has numerous meanings, numerous benefits, and many aspects and levels. In each place they are mentioned with a different meaning, for different benefits and purposes.
            Also, the Qur'an's being unspecific and concise in certain matters to do with cosmos is a flash of miraculousness for the purpose of guidance. It cannot be the target of criticism and is not a fault, like some atheists imagine.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Keine-namen View Post
              If you asked any muslim in the world, does the Quran distort or no ? ? the answer totally would be : " No and would never, Allah saves it " but what Muslims don't know is that the Quran is distorted too. Muslims are really sure about the distortion of the other holy books...and they even do avoid to think about the possibility of that could be happened...unfortunately minds were chained because of such ideologies...
              What many people don't know about Quran is that there are many versions of Quran...Today i'm going to talk only about two versions that are well-known and the Islamic world...especially ( The Arabian Peninsula - North Africa ) these two versions are : warsh ' an Naafi ' and Hafs ' an Assim ' .
              Note : Arabic speakers who would understand that well, because they would get this well. but who are none-arabic speakers it would be hard for them to get it well, but they could text me later and it would be my pleasure to make it more clear to them as much as i can. because my english is not good enough.
              Most of those who know about these two versions, they only know or hear about the slight differences in these versions, and they think and say that differences don't change the meaning at all...
              Unfortunetely that's not true at all. What still makes me feel sorry for Muslims is that most of them don't read the quran or any religious books to get to know about their religion well. they just use the irish proverb if i still remember " A woman told me that a woman told her " lol....most of muslims if you ask them about an information where it came from, the anwser would be ( they say...)....
              So even if they do read, they read with a sacred way, with their emotions not with critical mind at all... i know that most of believers have fears to do so or they are conviced they have the absolute truth...
              anyhow, the differences are more bigger than what Muslims think, I'm going to give some examples only in arabic language, because i have no idea about the english version of Quran, but i would explain the main point in english to make it clear to none-arabic speakers.

              1 : Surah Az-Zukhruf - verse 19 at Hafs version :

              " And they have made the angels, who are servants of the Most Merciful, females. Did they witness their creation? Their testimony will be recorded, and they will be questioned "

              " وَجَعَلُوا الْمَلَائِكَةَ الَّذِينَ هُمْ (عِبَادُ ) الرَّحْمَٰنِ إِنَاثًا ۚ "

              The same Surah and the same version at Warsh version

              وجعلوا الملائكة الذين هم ( عِنْدَ) الرحمن إناثًا

              Even non-arabic speakers could notice the differences between the words parentheses in the write way...
              the first one : " Ibadoo " which means servants or worshipers or slaves. depends on the context.
              the second version the word " Inda " means at or with or something like that, it's preposition...
              so the differences are so fucking clear...but inspite of this, muslims who know about these differences keep saying that the meaning is just one and there's a wisdom here and only Allah who knows that and so on...As an arabic speaker, i know the difference well and i won't lie to myself, because the word bitch doesn't mean beach haha

              2 : Surah Al Jinn - Verse 20 at Hafs version :

              " Say, [O Muhammad], "I only invoke my Lord and do not associate with him anyone."

              " قُلْ ) إِنَّمَا أَدْعُو رَبِّي وَلَا أُشْرِكُ بِهِ أَحَدًا ) "
              the
              Warsh version :
              " قال ) إِنَّمَا أَدْعُو رَبِّي وَلَا أُشْرِكُ بِهِ أَحَدًا ) "

              there's a slight difference here as well, in the writing one letter is added, but the meaning is totally different.
              the first one is قُلْ which means say, it's an order.
              at the second version is قال which means He said.
              the differences are so clear here as well...

              3 : Surah Al Ahzab - verse 68 at Hafs version :

              " Our Lord, give them double the punishment and curse them with a great curse."

              " (رَبَّنا آتِهِمْ ضِعْفَيْنِ مِنَ الْعَذابِ وَالْعَنْهُمْ لَعْنًا (كَبِيرًا "

              at Warsh version :


              " (رَبَّنا آتِهِمْ ضِعْفَيْنِ مِنَ الْعَذابِ وَالْعَنْهُمْ لَعْنًا (كثيرا"
              this would be the last example. so you could see the differences here, katiran and kabiran, كَبِيرًا which means too big, and كثيرا means too much...

              I think the examples are so clear to all eyes and minds, and i think that the meanings are totally different, i don't know how muslims still arguing...

              " you have complete discretion "
              [INDENT=2] [/INDENT]
              ....And if you are in doubt about what We have revealed to Our servant, then produce a Sura resembling it. {[*]: Qur'an, 2:23.}
              It also said: "If you do not believe, you shall be damned and shall go to Hell." It provoked them intensely. It smashed their pride in fearsome manner. It was contemptuous of their arrogant minds. It condemned them firstly to eternal extinction and then to eternal extinction in Hell, as well as to worldly extinction. It said: "Either dispute me, or you and your property shall perish."
              If it had been possible to dispute the Qur'an, is it at all possible that while there was an easy solution like disputing it with one or two lines and nullifying the claim, they should have chosen the most dangerous and most difficult, the way of war? Yes, is it at all possible that that clever people, that politically-minded nation, who at one time were to govern the world through politics, should have abandoned the shortest, easiest, and most light way, and chosen the most dangerous, which was going to cast their lives and all their property into peril? For if their literary figures had been able to dispute it with a few words, the Qur'an would have given up its claim, and they would have been saved from material and moral disaster. Whereas they chose a perilous, lengthy road like war. That means it was not possible to dispute in by word; it was impossible, so they were compelled to fight it with the sword.
              Furthermore, there are two compelling reasons for the Qur'an being imitated. The first is its enemies' ambition to dispute it, the other, its friends' pleasure at imitating it. Impelled by these, millions of books in Arabic have been written, but not one of them resembles the Qur'an. Whether learned or ignorant, whoever looks at it and at them is bound to say: "The Qur'an does not resemble these. Not one of them has been able to imitate it." The Qur'an is therefore either inferior to all of them, and according to the consensus of friend and foe alike, this is completely non-valid and impossible, or the Qur'an is superior to all of them.

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              • #8
                İf you have any doubt about Qur'an . You must read Twenty Fifth Word from Said Nursi.

                I will share a passage now. Please you continue to read it :

                Fifth Point:
                This is the excellence in its manner of exposition; that is to say, the superiority, conciseness, and grandeur. Just as there is eloquence in the word-order, the wording, and the meaning, and a uniqueness in its style, so in its manner of exposition is there a superiority and excellence. Indeed, all the categories and levels of speech and address, like encouragement and deterring, praise and censure, demonstration and guidance, explanation and silencing in argument, are at the highest degree in the Qur'an's exposition.
                Of the innumerable examples of its manner of exposition {(*): The style here has slipped into the clothes of this Sura's meaning.} in the category of encouragement and urging is that in Sura Has there not been over man a long period of time when he was nothing - [not even] mentioned?; {[*]: Qur'an, 76:1.} this is as sweet as the water of Kawthar and flows with the fluency of the spring of Salsabil, it is as fine as the raiment of the houris.
                Of the numerous examples of the category of deterring and threatening is the start of Sura Has the story reached you of the Overwhelming Event? {[*]: Qur'an, 88:1.} Here the Qur'an's exposition has an effect like lead boiling in the ears of the people of misguidance, and fire burning in their brains, and zaqqum scalding their palates, and Hell assaulting their faces, and like a bitter thorny tree in their stomachs. An official like Hell charged by someone with inflicting torment and torture in order to demonstrate his threats, and its splitting apart with seething rage, and its saying: well-nigh bursting with fury {[*]: Qur'an, 67:8.} certainly show how awesomely dreadful that person's threats are.
                Of the thousands of examples in the category of praise, the Qur'an's manner of exposition in the five Suras starting al-Hamdulillah is brilliant like the sun, {(*): In these phrases is an allusion to the matters discussed in these Suras.} adorned like the stars, majestic like the heavens and the earth, lovable like the angels, compassionate like tenderness towards young in this world, and beautiful like Paradise in the hereafter.
                Words - 391

                This is the link:

                http://www.erisale.com/index.jsp?loc...ent.en.201.375

                You will understand that Qur'an is From God and cannot be changed...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by CaymanWolvon View Post


                  I guess your dream job is to be a pornstar in Brazzers and that's the only reason why your stars will never intersect with Islam because Islam gives importance to morality and I can say this is main reason why most people hate Islam
                  Debate the main idea dude not my dreams haha okay ? i could share my dreams later...and as most of Muslims that I know they think by their dicks not their minds as you just showed us now haha. I'll let you why people hate Islam. for me as an ex muslim, Islam is the worst and dangerous ideology ever...and why am I criticising Islam because Islam is my background....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by grgur View Post


                    Lol, says a guy that knows it all but probably can't speak a word of arabic
                    talking about me ?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lewini View Post
                      İf you have any doubt about Qur'an.
                      ...you must start using your own brain and think logically. You can come free too.

                      You can behave morally by listening to your ingrained knowledge. All necessary rules are there. Open your mind, be human.
                      Stop following the desperate experiment of an aweful society from 1400 years ago.

                      You might wish to be a slave who must follow a supernatural master - you are none.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CaymanWolvon View Post
                        I guess your dream job is to be a pornstar in Brazzers and that's the only reason why your stars will never intersect with Islam because Islam gives importance to morality and I can say this is main reason why most people hate Islam
                        it is you who can't stop thinking about sex and porn - did you notice?
                        You have this in common with your Muslim brothers. Ever wondered why this is? Could it be the unnatural teachings about gender segregation and sex in Islam?
                        Be assured that it is not natural to have sexual thoughts about children and biological sisters or your mother - as mentioned by you earlier.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Keine-namen View Post
                          talking about me ?
                          no, talking about the turk

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Suna123 View Post

                            ...you must start using your own brain and think logically. You can come free too.

                            You can behave morally by listening to your ingrained knowledge. All necessary rules are there. Open your mind, be human.
                            Stop following the desperate experiment of an aweful society from 1400 years ago.

                            You might wish to be a slave who must follow a supernatural master - you are none.
                            They really don't want to use their minds...whatever you say to them... I really feel sympathy with them...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Suna123 View Post

                              it is you who can't stop thinking about sex and porn - did you notice?
                              You have this in common with your Muslim brothers. Ever wondered why this is? Could it be the unnatural teachings about gender segregation and sex in Islam?
                              Be assured that it is not natural to have sexual thoughts about children and biological sisters or your mother - as mentioned by you earlier.
                              As a godless, they usually tell me that i could fuck my mom then haha, because none-religion means to them everything is permissible...it's a rare when you find a muslim who's not homophobic and so on...

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