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    "Religion is the opium of the people" is one of the most frequently paraphrased statements of German philosopher and economist Karl Marx.
    what's your view about this wise said ?
    what do you think Marx wanted to say or to point ?

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    Originally posted by Keine-namen View Post
    "Religion is the opium of the people" is one of the most frequently paraphrased statements of German philosopher and economist Karl Marx.
    what's your view about this wise said ?
    what do you think Marx wanted to say or to point ?
    It makes a good quote but is only partly accurate. Religion is the opiate of some people among the religious. The same may be said of TV: entertainment is the opiate of some TV viewers. Ditto for gambling, food, cars...you name it and someone will get drunk on it...

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    • #3
      Marx was a staunch believer in the importance of material reality and the statement must be seen in the context of that. He saw religion(not really faith but religion as a social construct with a societal function) as an opium that helps sedate the masses of humanity to keep them complaint and not railing against the people that use them to keep themselves materially wealthy while keeping the lower class materially wanting.

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      • #4
        Needs are the topmost opium, peoples will automatically buy your products without you need to milden your words, sedate peoples or convert them.
        The 2nd best is branding, this area is fun and challenging to do with your own products, create at least one while you are still alive, will AMD beat Intel? how does Airbus defeat Boeing? Karl Marx is just another brand to defeat. This is fascinating, raising adrenaline.
        The lowest is anger, so you get angry to all people who disagree with you and sedate them forcefully to buy your products. Without knowing your product is too pricey and peoples don't have money.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Keine-namen View Post
          "Religion is the opium of the people" is one of the most frequently paraphrased statements of German philosopher and economist Karl Marx.
          what's your view about this wise said ?
          what do you think Marx wanted to say or to point ?
          Fuck what marx said.
          "Philosopher and economist" yea right. Marx was a piece of shit and creator of the most devastating ideology in the human history. Communism killed much more people than nazism, all countries who adopted marxist philosophy - either of their own will or by force, have ended with destroyed economies and totalitarian governments.
          And relligion is not opium for the people, it's natural human need.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post

            Fuck what marx said.
            "Philosopher and economist" yea right. Marx was a piece of shit and creator of the most devastating ideology in the human history. Communism killed much more people than nazism, all countries who adopted marxist philosophy - either of their own will or by force, have ended with destroyed economies and totalitarian governments.
            And relligion is not opium for the people, it's natural human need.
            yeah like china, which totally isn't the economically most influential country in the world,lel

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            • #7
              Originally posted by grgur View Post

              yeah like china, which totally isn't the economically most influential country in the world,lel
              Sure China is sooooo marxist economically lol
              https://www.businessinsider.com/how-...t-2015-10?IR=T

              Effects of communist nonsense you can observe in Venezuela it's gone bankrupt, just like Poland under communism, or anyone else

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              • #8
                Originally posted by grgur View Post

                yeah like china, which totally isn't the economically most influential country in the world,lel
                China is a kind of hybrid, it got the worse of both ideologies and it's... almost working, lel.


                To the OP : If religion is the opium, then communism is certainly its heroin. I mean, I'm not sure that someone like Marx was the best idea to support a point against religion.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Keine-namen View Post
                  "Religion is the opium of the people" is one of the most frequently paraphrased statements of German philosopher and economist Karl Marx.
                  what's your view about this wise said ?
                  what do you think Marx wanted to say or to point ?
                  It's opium FOR the people. What means religion calms down their awareness to real problems

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post

                    Fuck what marx said.
                    "Philosopher and economist" yea right. Marx was a piece of shit and creator of the most devastating ideology in the human history. Communism killed much more people than nazism, all countries who adopted marxist philosophy - either of their own will or by force, have ended with destroyed economies and totalitarian governments.
                    And relligion is not opium for the people, it's natural human need.
                    Marx was a very good observer, just his solutions for the problems are deprived of the factor human nature. This is the reason why socialism/communism has turned in current world always into a fashistoid totalitarian system.
                    Humanity isn't really ready for equality of power and spiritual balance without omnipotent beings who see everything.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jordan_rudess View Post

                      Sure China is sooooo marxist economically lol
                      https://www.businessinsider.com/how-...t-2015-10?IR=T

                      Effects of communist nonsense you can observe in Venezuela it's gone bankrupt, just like Poland under communism, or anyone else
                      most of venezuela is privately owned, while "privately owned" companies in china are effectively under party's control and china can compete on the world market purely because they made sure they have access to tech, manpower and infrastructure THROUGH GOVERNMENT PLANNING. if China haven't had that already mmf would have made sure they never do, success of both Korea and Japan had been in large prt due to their governments not shying away from intervening in economy(go dig up how many times, toyota or samsung needed government's help or for how long had either South Korea or Japan had high tariffs on imported goods)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hades91x View Post

                        Marx was a very good observer, just his solutions for the problems are deprived of the factor human nature. This is the reason why socialism/communism has turned in current world always into a fashistoid totalitarian system.
                        Humanity isn't really ready for equality of power and spiritual balance without omnipotent beings who see everything.
                        I do not believe in marxist utopia theory myself, because utopia is an ideal and thus unachievable. His critique of capitalism and much of the class "conflict" (or rather a lack of it) was largely on point

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by grgur View Post

                          most of venezuela is privately owned, while "privately owned" companies in china are effectively under party's control and china can compete on the world market purely because they made sure they have access to tech, manpower and infrastructure THROUGH GOVERNMENT PLANNING. if China haven't had that already mmf would have made sure they never do, success of both Korea and Japan had been in large prt due to their governments not shying away from intervening in economy(go dig up how many times, toyota or samsung needed government's help or for how long had either South Korea or Japan had high tariffs on imported goods)
                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by grgur View Post

                            I do not believe in marxist utopia theory myself, because utopia is an ideal and thus unachievable. His critique of capitalism and much of the class "conflict" (or rather a lack of it) was largely on point
                            However his solutions were illusions.
                            Capitalism with its tendency to building up of oligarchy is more capable to become more socialist with proper share of profits among all society layers, than communism/socialism ever have been.
                            Humans are NEVER happy with their current status que, stagnation and low development. Every developed society comes to the brink after every social experiment will go wrong.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Hades91x View Post

                              Marx was a very good observer, just his solutions for the problems are deprived of the factor human nature. This is the reason why socialism/communism has turned in current world always into a fashistoid totalitarian system.
                              Humanity isn't really ready for equality of power and spiritual balance without omnipotent beings who see everything.
                              No marx was quite shitty observer, his out ass theories about working class are just theories without any empirical basis, has he even been working in any factory like for just a day in his life?
                              It's like me making theories about the best technics of tuna fishing on south pacific

                              It is not the point that humanity is ready or isn't. So called equality is not not possible, simple as that. Communism as a system is flawed and will always lead to disasters and terror

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