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    Very interesting article in the BBC. A survey was conducted this year of 20000 people around the Arab world. Huge and increasing numbers of Arabs are turning their backs on religion:



    In general, this article is very interesting:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48703377

    So, why are Arabs in general turning their backs on religion in massive numbers? What are the causes of this?

    The article goes on to talk about a whole range of attitudes ranging from attitudes towards women to the relative popularity of Trump, Putin and Erdogan across the Arab world and many possible questions can be asked. For example, why is it that Erdogan is hugely popular except in Egypt, Lebanon and Libya?

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    Originally posted by aussieinbg View Post
    Very interesting article in the BBC. A survey was conducted this year of 20000 people around the Arab world. Huge and increasing numbers of Arabs are turning their backs on religion:



    In general, this article is very interesting:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48703377

    So, why are Arabs in general turning their backs on religion in massive numbers? What are the causes of this?

    The article goes on to talk about a whole range of attitudes ranging from attitudes towards women to the relative popularity of Trump, Putin and Erdogan across the Arab world and many possible questions can be asked. For example, why is it that Erdogan is hugely popular except in Egypt, Lebanon and Libya?
    Turning back from religion depends upon many things.
    1. I think this is very important. Most people in the world takes a reference for them . Both religious people and non religious people have idols for their life. For example if you read philosophy you will chose a philosopher who you see his thoughts better for you. ?f you love make-up you will chose an idol, for football you will love Messi or Ronaldo or.. better. You love songs and you love a singer better than the others. Human being love to follow a man or woman for every kind of subject. You read books of writers whose thoughts and are like yours.
    Politic is a tool people like to speak about it. People especially in Arab world like to follow politic leaders very much. People are tied to their leaders apron strings. They like to do what they did. Like supporting a football team. When I was a child I remember that everyone was asking each other : how team do you support? As if we have to do it... And also if there is a polarisation between politic leaders people tend to chose one of them.
    They first follow them than leaders use every kind of tools for their aims. They speak about everything for their politic career . They use religion for their politic career. And religious people follow them. And the leader will be a role model for them. Like a Prophet . Because of their ignorance they will see them like a prophet. Than there will be a big love to them. And than when they do wrongs people will say no it was a lie . Wrongs again and continue to speak about religion and prophet people will again say that maybe it is not a wrong. They will say We can understand a verse from Qur'an what our leader said. Leaders Wrong again. Some People than will say o no if he is a Muslim I am not a Muslim because He says Allah he says prophet but his life is different . So what religion gave to Him? ?f religion makes people good and he was a good Muslim for us but what about his life?
    They took a reference the leader for their religion but they saw a contradiction between religion and his life so they will say religion cannot be a good example to be a good person... I think that the west also saw some contradiction between religion and religious men and they gave up to follow their religion. They say God but they are fond of money they say God but they are fond of sex, abusing.. they say Allah but they killls people, they say Allah but they are liar, they say Allah but they're rubbers... But these people are so stupid to make these people reference not Qur'an and Prophets life...
    2. The best way of making people turning back e religion is setting up therorist groups like isis. It is very clear. No need to explain.

    All of them are plan of some people who use media who use leaders who use social media who use .... For their aim. First making people unreligious , new world order. Then the other steps...

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    • #3
      And Statistician Aussie Were you created only for this world that you spend all your time on it? You know that in regard to your abilities you are superior to all the animals, but in regard to procuring the necessities of worldly life you cannot compete with even a sparrow. So why can you not understand that your basic duty is not to labour like an animal, but to strive for a true, perpetual life, like a true human being. In addition, the things you call worldly occupations mostly do not concern you, and are trivial matters which you meddle in officiously. You neglect the essential things and pass your time acquiring inessential information as though you were going to live for a thousand years. For example, you squander your precious time on worthless things like learning what the rings around Saturn are like or how many chickens there are in America. As though you were becoming an expert in astronomy or statistics.
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      • #4
        Every shitty Abrahamic religion offers an imaginary paradise in afterlife but burden and pain in presence. Western world and its culture offer a real paradise for most of us.
        Those fucktard lslamists alias islam promoter want dominate the world with their shitty believe, but they have nothing to offer to the world just lot of delusions and deception.
        Islam and their preachers are like guys with 10cm dicks who want become famous porno stars. LOL
        Last edited by Hades91x; 06-26-2019, 10:41 PM.

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        • #5
          Islam... Mohammed...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by momat View Post
            Islam... Mohammed...

            Muhammad was very much a scary clown who genuinely frightened children wasn't he?

            Muhammad was a peadophile who was into molesting children - such as 6 year old Aisha or performing peadophile acts on his small boy nephews Hussain and Hassan.

            Please tell us what "Mufaakhathah" is. You shouldn't be ashamed to do that now, should you? After all, Muhammad was "rasool" and he was performing Mufaakhathah on Aisha and that was even before Muhammad "consummated" the marriage with Aisha when she was 9 years old

            Perhaps it is things like this not actively discussed during Friday prayers but in Islamic dogma and easily found on Google that is causing masses of people in the Arab world and even beyond to give up Peadophile Muhammad's death cult of Islam....
            Last edited by aussieinbg; 06-26-2019, 04:24 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by aussieinbg View Post
              https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48703377

              So, why are Arabs in general turning their backs on religion in massive numbers? What are the causes of this?

              The article goes on to talk about a whole range of attitudes ranging from attitudes towards women to the relative popularity of Trump, Putin and Erdogan across the Arab world and many possible questions can be asked. For example, why is it that Erdogan is hugely popular except in Egypt, Lebanon and Libya?
              the article is indeed very interesting


              I think Arabs turn away from religion because of the internet. The first reaction to the unpleasant facts of their religion might be denial. But in the long run they check out the facts themselves and see which of them are reality in their region.

              That Erdogan is less popular than Trump in Egypt is indeed very interesting and a surprise to me. I thought Egyptians still love Muslim Brotherhood and their fanboys.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Suna123 View Post

                the article is indeed very interesting
                I would have actually thought that the differential between the two would have been far far greater given that honour killing is something very much condoned and even encouraged in Islamic dogma and that homosexuality is condemned, of course not withstanding Muhammad's own demonstrated closet gayness.

                Originally posted by Suna123 View Post
                I think Arabs turn away from religion because of the internet. The first reaction to the unpleasant facts of their religion might be denial. But in the long run they check out the facts themselves and see which of them are reality in their region.
                I suspect that things began with satellite TV and in particular Father Zakaria's broadcasts about Islam. Now, at that time it was possible to "limit the damage" - such as the Pakistani authorities famously taking all volumes of Bukhari's hadiths off sale to prevent people from checking out Zakaria Boutros' claims for themselves.

                With internet, people can check claims immediately - and hear opinions beyond the ranting of Friday sermons - and also hear other opinions which can also be checked out.

                Originally posted by Suna123 View Post
                That Erdogan is less popular than Trump in Egypt is indeed very interesting and a surprise to me. I thought Egyptians still love Muslim Brotherhood and their fanboys.
                This one was not such a surprise actually. Egypt had a year of Islamist rule under Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood. They got a taste of what real "moderate" Islam was really like - such as the infamous attempts to legislate to legalise necrophila with a spouse up to 6 hours following death, the Islamisation of the penal code, increased persecution of other groups such as Christians and the destruction of Egypt's economy by application of Islamic economic "theory".

                Essentially, the fanboying for Erdogan is essentially fanboying for Muslim Brotherhood. Erdogan effectively has the political leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood under his control presently.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by aussieinbg View Post
                  I suspect that things began with satellite TV and in particular Father Zakaria's broadcasts about Islam. Now, at that time it was possible to "limit the damage" - such as the Pakistani authorities famously taking all volumes of Bukhari's hadiths off sale to prevent people from checking out Zakaria Boutros' claims for themselves.
                  hahaha - thats funny. Ashamed of their own religion and too cowardly to admit it.

                  Originally posted by aussieinbg View Post
                  Egypt had a year of Islamist rule under Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood. They got a taste of what real "moderate" Islam was really like - such as the infamous attempts to legislate to legalise necrophila with a spouse up to 6 hours following death, the Islamisation of the penal code, increased persecution of other groups such as Christians and the destruction of Egypt's economy by application of Islamic economic "theory".
                  It seems so. I would have bet that there is still a majority who was thinking "this was not real Islam" blablabla. Maybe they think now Muslim Brotherhood is not real Islam -
                  What leads us back to Al Azhar and its teachings how to beat your wives correctly and similar medieval nonsense .
                  https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...rsy-fatwa.html

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Suna123 View Post
                    hahaha - thats funny. Ashamed of their own religion and too cowardly to admit it.
                    That's what it's like being in a cult that if you are to escape you are threatened with death. There are literally 100s of millions of cult followers suffering Stockholm Syndrome.

                    Originally posted by Suna123 View Post
                    It seems so. I would have bet that there is still a majority who was thinking "this was not real Islam" blablabla. Maybe they think now Muslim Brotherhood is not real Islam -
                    Rather like Stalin disowning his executioners when they were murdering at an embarrassing and obvious rate.

                    The biggest "crime" that ISIS, Al Qaeda or Muslim Brotherhood have committed is showing "too soon" the true face of Islam.

                    Originally posted by Suna123 View Post
                    What leads us back to Al Azhar and its teachings how to beat your wives correctly and similar medieval nonsense .
                    https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...rsy-fatwa.html
                    I guess Morsi's brief rule brought about a renaissance of Islamic legal scholarship at Al Azhar. We also saw this with very open statements about things such as sexual slavery being something legitimate and good:

                    http://forum.interpals.net/forum/int...te-and-allowed

                    But the backtracking from the fatwa regarding the beating of women that you linked to was almost certainly with an eye on an even bigger evil for Islam - people leaving the cult in masses. It's evident that this is a huge trend in Egypt right now as evident in the data - going from about 2% to almost 10% being "non-religious". This is an increase of about 400% in just 5 or 6 years.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by momat View Post
                      Islam... Mohammed...

                      ....
                      Whiny bitch

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by aussieinbg View Post

                        Muhammad was very much a scary clown who genuinely frightened children wasn't he?

                        Muhammad was a peadophile who was into molesting children - such as 6 year old Aisha or performing peadophile acts on his small boy nephews Hussain and Hassan.

                        Please tell us what "Mufaakhathah" is. You shouldn't be ashamed to do that now, should you? After all, Muhammad was "rasool" and he was performing Mufaakhathah on Aisha and that was even before Muhammad "consummated" the marriage with Aisha when she was 9 years old

                        Perhaps it is things like this not actively discussed during Friday prayers but in Islamic dogma and easily found on Google that is causing masses of people in the Arab world and even beyond to give up Peadophile Muhammad's death cult of Islam....
                        Blind Aussie! Open your eyes

                        Now, consider how, eradicating in no time at all their evil, savage customs and habits to which they were fanatically attached, he decked out the various wild, unyielding peoples of that broad peninsula with all the finest virtues, and made them teachers of all the world and masters to the civilized nations. See, it was not an outward domination, he conquered and subjugated their minds, spirits, hearts, and souls. He became the beloved of hearts, the teacher of minds, the trainer of souls, the ruler of spirits.
                        Blind Aussie Look!

                        You know that a small habit like cigarette smoking among a small nation can be removed permanently only by a powerful ruler with great effort. But look! This Being removed numerous ingrained habits from intractable, fanatical large nations with slight outward power and little effort in a short period of time, and in their place he so established exalted qualities that they became as firm as if they had mingled with their very blood. He achieved very many extraordinary feats like this. Thus, we present the Arabian Peninsula as a challenge to those who refuse to see the testimony of the blessed age of the Prophet. Let them each take a hundred philosophers, go there, and strive for a hundred years; would they be able to carry out in that time one hundredth of what he achieved in a year?
                        Words - 245

                        https://youtu.be/FLME_Vgz240

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by aussieinbg View Post

                          That's what it's like being in a cult that if you are to escape you are threatened with death. There are literally 100s of millions of cult followers suffering Stockholm Syndrome.



                          Rather like Stalin disowning his executioners when they were murdering at an embarrassing and obvious rate.

                          The biggest "crime" that ISIS, Al Qaeda or Muslim Brotherhood have committed is showing "too soon" the true face of Islam.



                          I guess Morsi's brief rule brought about a renaissance of Islamic legal scholarship at Al Azhar. We also saw this with very open statements about things such as sexual slavery being something legitimate and good:

                          http://forum.interpals.net/forum/int...te-and-allowed

                          But the backtracking from the fatwa regarding the beating of women that you linked to was almost certainly with an eye on an even bigger evil for Islam - people leaving the cult in masses. It's evident that this is a huge trend in Egypt right now as evident in the data - going from about 2% to almost 10% being "non-religious". This is an increase of about 400% in just 5 or 6 years.
                          https://youtu.be/CKWf7iX6ru0

                          You know that an insignificant man of small standing among a small community in a disputed matter of small importance cannot tell a small but shameful lie brazen-faced and without fear without displaying anxiety or disquiet enough to inform the enemies at his side of his deception. Now look at that Being; although he undertook a tremendous task which required an official of great authority and great standing and a situation of great security, can any contradiction at all be found in the words he uttered among a community of great size in the face of great hostility concerning a great cause and matters of great significance, with great ease and freedom, without fear, hesitation, diffidence, or anxiety, with pure sincerity, great seriousness, and in an intense, elevated manner that angered his enemies? Is it at all possible that any trickery should have been involved? God forbid! It is naught but Revelation inspired. {[*]: Qur'an, 53:4.} The truth does not deceive, and one who perceives the truth is not deceived. His way, which is truth, is free of deception. How could a fancy appear to one who sees the truth to be the truth, and deceive him?

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                          • #14
                            Lewini, do you read that nonsensical turd that you insert here?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Hades91x View Post
                              Lewini, do you read that nonsensical turd that you insert here?

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