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  • Why some nations are successful and some are not?

    There`re a certain amount of countries which are considered to be successful in different spheres of life including the economy
    Amongst those countries we usually name the USA, Germany, the UK, France, Canada and so forth. Usually, African countries are at the bottom of the list. Why it is so?
    1. Does mentality impact it or not? If yes then how?
    2. Does climate impact it?
    3. Does religion impact it?
    4. Does geography impact it?
    5. Does language impact it?
    6. Does political system impact it?
    7. Does history impact it?

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    History { Geography (luck*?) => climate (luck?) => mentality/philosophy (luck?) => religion (luck?) => political system (luck?).

    Luck = Either a propice place for a technology, a discovery, a ressource, a particular event, a great mind popping... Or a unlucky place, an unlucky event like retarded getting power, climate or meteoroligic disasters, acces to a place blocked by another natio. Those unlucky stuff can be transformed into a lucky thing depending on the mentality of people living there.

    Example :
    Ottomans taking Constantinople and blocking the access to silk road to the Christians/European nations => unluck
    Europeans trying to find other ways to have an access to Eastern products ==> particular mentality
    Europeans finding a New continents and getting the riches of the Americas ==> luck++
    Europeans finding another way to join India and China/another "silk road" ==> luck
    Then you could add : Europeans natiosn getting power over the world and Ottomans getting rekt :v



    Last edited by Sancta_Lux; 02-05-2019, 05:45 PM.

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    • #3
      Does it mean, that imposing democracy on all nations, what the USA usually tries to do, is an illogical thing, because different nations evolve differently and some nations simply don`t feet to democracy? If yes, then why does the USA continue to do it? And if no, then explain why please.

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      • #4
        Reasons :
        Colonialism
        Population Superiority
        Technology theft from Middle East: (Crankshaft which is base for Industrial Revolution and modern day's machine technology was invented by a Muslim(Al-Jazari), inside modern day's Turkish borders). Westerners have used this technology to enrich themselves in a selfish and cruel way by colonizing the world meanwhile Turks haven't had got any territory at Transoceanic lands or at Middle side of Africa that could be far from Turkish borders.

        Last edited by CaymanWolvon; 02-06-2019, 11:46 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by LonelyRoad View Post
          There`re a certain amount of countries which are considered to be successful in different spheres of life including the economy
          Amongst those countries we usually name the USA, Germany, the UK, France, Canada and so forth. Usually, African countries are at the bottom of the list. Why it is so?
          1. Does mentality impact it or not? If yes then how?
          2. Does climate impact it?
          3. Does religion impact it?
          4. Does geography impact it?
          5. Does language impact it?
          6. Does political system impact it?
          7. Does history impact it?
          I think every of those factors has a influence.
          However I think its scientific achievements of Europeans that brought the humanity into current stage.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by LonelyRoad View Post
            Does it mean, that imposing democracy on all nations, what the USA usually tries to do, is an illogical thing, because different nations evolve differently and some nations simply don`t feet to democracy? If yes, then why does the USA continue to do it? And if no, then explain why please.
            Well, if only USA was trying to impose democracy, yes, it would be illogical. That being said, cultural hegemony of USA seems to work for now, and the XXIth century is quite different from the earlier ones due to the level of technology we know have.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by CaymanWolvon View Post
              Reasons :
              Colonialism
              Population Superiority
              Technology theft from Middle East: (Crankshaft which is base for Industrial Revolution and modern day's machine technology was invented by a Muslim(Al-Jazari), inside modern day's Turkish borders). Westerners have used this technology to enrich themselves in a selfish and cruel way by colonizing the world meanwhile Turks haven't had got any territory at Transoceanic lands or at Middle side of Africa that could be far from Turkish borders.

              "Wawawa the evil West, we are so nice here, wawawawa so mean with us and the world, wawawa"



              Ps : Muslim didn't invent crankshaft, the Chineses and Romans were using it alraedy.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by CaymanWolvon View Post
                Reasons :
                Colonialism
                Islamists are masters of this....

                Originally posted by CaymanWolvon View Post
                Population Superiority
                Islamists are into breeding up to please skydaddy Allah to no end...

                Originally posted by CaymanWolvon View Post
                Technology theft from Middle East: (Crankshaft which is base for Industrial Revolution and modern day's machine technology was invented by a Muslim(Al-Jazari), inside modern day's Turkish borders).

                The usual parroted Islamist shit that "Muslims invented the crankshaft" - we've already seen it previously on the forum,..You might want to get another dawah script for your efforts for free entry into Allah's afterlife brothel of Jannah

                Han Chinese had the crankshaft and so did the Ancient Romans.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crankshaft#Han_China

                The Han Chinese had a rudimentary crankshaft as early as about 200BC - that's about 700 years before peadophile Muhammad was born and about 750 years after the said Muhammad was dead with his postmortem erection.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scienc...he_Han_dynasty

                Make a note of this reference - you'll see that a lot of claims about "Islamic inventions" which were in reality done many years before by the Han Chinese.

                The Romans were doing very sophisticated things with crankshafts.

                Even as early as the 5th century BC - rudimentary crankshafts were being used

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crankshaft#Ancient_Rome

                The really famous example of sophisticated use of crankshafts and connecting rods was the Hierapolis Sawmill in Asia Minor during the 4th century - that's Anatolia before the Turks intruded.



                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierapolis_sawmill

                Also, the Germans in the 4th century were using crankshaft driven machines to cut marble - German engineering excellence is not such a new thing

                Originally posted by CaymanWolvon View Post
                Westerners have used this technology to enrich themselves in a selfish and cruel way by colonizing the world meanwhile Turks haven't had got any territory at Transoceanic lands or at Middle side of Africa that could be far from Turkish borders.
                hahahhahahahhahahaha

                And in other threads you keep on bragging about Turkish military technology and how Turkey is going to produce so much military hardware..... Hypocrite.

                Turkey is doing what all other Islamist countries do and have done so as illustrated by your example of the crankshaft - take someone else's technology then claim to have invented it. Then they play catch-up with the rest of the world with technology that they had not hand in inventing and was effectively stolen.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by CaymanWolvon View Post
                  Reasons :
                  Colonialism
                  Population Superiority
                  Technology theft from Middle East: (Crankshaft which is base for Industrial Revolution and modern day's machine technology was invented by a Muslim(Al-Jazari), inside modern day's Turkish borders). Westerners have used this technology to enrich themselves in a selfish and cruel way by colonizing the world meanwhile Turks haven't had got any territory at Transoceanic lands or at Middle side of Africa that could be far from Turkish borders.
                  But why the west colonized Africa, America, Asia, Middle East and not in reverse? You see, colonization can`t be a reason for superiority, because if you colonize others, it means that you are already superior by definition. So colonization is a consequence of superiority, not the reason.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hades91 View Post

                    I think every of those factors has a influence.
                    However I think its scientific achievements of Europeans that brought the humanity into current stage.
                    It's a good point, but why Europe was able to achieve that and others were not? In terms of education and science. Especially Britan France and Germany. What is so specific about them?
                    Last edited by LonelyRoad; 02-06-2019, 03:18 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sancta_Lux View Post

                      Well, if only USA was trying to impose democracy, yes, it would be illogical. That being said, cultural hegemony of USA seems to work for now, and the XXIth century is quite different from the earlier ones due to the level of technology we know have.
                      I have nothing against imposing it. But it is a matter of logic and expediency. You know, it`s absurd to impose democracy on dogs or birds, for example. So, some nations are ready for it and some are not.
                      But if we would conclude, that all nations are equal, then we have to admit, that democracy fits everybody. But in practice, it`s not. So, are nations equal at all? And if not, then why?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by LonelyRoad View Post

                        It's a good point, but why Europe was able to achieve that and others were not? In terms of education and science. Especially Britan France and Germany. What is so specific about them?
                        In science, was it abolishing of total societal ruling of the Catholic Church. (Anglican in England, Protestants in France and German Reich)( Germany was a long time divided under several local rulers like Italy in Medieval times) What certainly made later the introduction of secularism easier in those countries.
                        Scientific achievements are useless without engineering. Here was the increasing of artisan guilds very important, that later led to industrial revolution. Ironically those countries didn't have the oldest universities nor those countries were the richest one in medieval time, but those countries had very dense population. France had alone in XV century as many people as Eastern Europe together.

                        Summarizing of those factors brings the conclusion that economical competition together with less dogmatic societal policy is the best environment for inflationary population growth and scientific achievements.
                        Colonialism came later in XVIII and XIX century as those countries begun to devour everything that stood on their way.
                        Nevertheless era colonialism was a fail and ended after 150 years. Inflationary population growth became impossible after reaching critical inhabitants amount for a square kilometer.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by LonelyRoad View Post

                          I have nothing against imposing it. But it is a matter of logic and expediency. You know, it`s absurd to impose democracy on dogs or birds, for example. So, some nations are ready for it and some are not.
                          But if we would conclude, that all nations are equal, then we have to admit, that democracy fits everybody. But in practice, it`s not. So, are nations equal at all? And if not, then why?
                          First of all define equal,,what to you makes nations equal and then rate nations against your yardstick...

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                          • #14
                            Aussieinbg > > " Han Chinese had the crankshaft and so did the ancient romans "...
                            On spec I read more or less the whole link you provided and before the moslems attempt any more thieving (intellectual ) I think the hans can lay fair claim also to the camshaft which they used to power heavy hammering jobs like in a forge,rotary trip hammers,,,and ratchets to prevent back spinning...
                            During this time,HUNDREDS of years before islam the arabian peninsular was populated by people barely above the "hunter gatherer " stage...
                            All the brainy stuff was further east in messopotamia and they had some serious moves for moving Large quantities of water and for erecting huge buildings including 30 metre high columns...

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                            • #15
                              Wikipedia "trip hammer" using water power camshaft raised hammer/s which then fell by gravity China 40 bce or even back to Zhou dynasty 1050 bce...moslems hahahahaahahahaha….

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